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2015 Red Zone Woes

BWahlberg said:
AZGrizFan said:
This goes directly to our ability to run the ball, and that's what I believe Stitt is ensuring gets addressed (both last year and this year) in recruiting. Hogs to move the pile that 1 or 2 yards when you REALLY need it.

Agree completely with you AZ - scoring TDs in the red zone and the ineffectiveness of our running game once in the rz was just killer. It would've taken me far too long to check every game, but I wanted to take a few samples and see what the Montana yards per carry was once in the red zone. Again a sample size here, not the whole the season:

1st NDSU game: 8 yards on 9 carries with 5 RZ visits
Liberty: 10 yards on 7 carries with 6 RZ visits
NAU: 20 yards on 6 carries with 4 RZ visits
PSU: 18 yards on 7 carries with 3 RZ visits
EWU: 11 yards on 12 carries with 6 RZ visits
SDSU: 7 yards on 4 carries with 4 RZ visits
2nd NDSU: 0 yards on 1 carry with 1 RZ visit

That sums up to 74 yards on 46 carries from this sample size. That's 1.6 yards per carry over the span of 29 visits to the red zone.

There you have it.

IMO that speaks to both run blocking and the running backs themselves. The games I pulled showed running stats from Nguyen, Counts, Calhoun, Favors, and even Chalich, Simis, and Gus - so it spanned the gamut.

Back out of that sample the runs that actually went for TD's for a better analysis. For example, a 1 yard TD run might have gone for much more but 1 yard is all they're credited with. It's the short, ineffective NON TD runs that really killed us.
 
Everyone knows that there were so many short field goals due to the red zone failures of the offense....but ask yourself why there were so few FG attempts between 35-50 yards.....it had nothing to do with red zone struggles....
 
grizindabox said:
Everyone knows that there were so many short field goals due to the red zone failures of the offense....but ask yourself why there were so few FG attempts between 35-50 yards.....it had nothing to do with red zone struggles....

35-50 yard FG's means LOS between the 18 and 33 yard line....let's take a look, shall we? And see how many drives died in that dead zone:

NDSU - 0 opportunities
CP - Fumble on CP 15, Downs on CP 40, Missed FG from CP 19, Downs on CP 38, Downs on CP 32
LIB - Missed FG on LIB 15, Fumble on LIB 1, Downs on LIB 8 (last drive of game)
NAU - Punt from NAU 42, Downs on NAU 46, Punt from NAU 40
UCD - Fumble on UCD 3, Half on UCD 20, Downs on UCD 30, Downs on UCD 33
WSU - Missed FG on WSU 38, Punt on WSU 49, Downs on WSU 9, Downs on WSU 23, Missed FG on WSU 38, Fumble on WSU 26
UND- Punt on UND 47, Downs on UND 40, Downs on UND 5 (end of game)
PSU - INT on PSU 30, INT on PSU 37, Downs on PSU 49, Downs on PSU 46 (down by 3 scores and needed to go for it on both)
ISU - Downs on ISU 5, Missed FG on ISU 35, Missed FG on ISU 27, Fumble on ISU 39
EWU - Fumble on EWU 32, Fumble on EWU 43, Punt on EWU 41
MSU - 0 opportunities
SDSU - Punt on SDSU 40, Punt on SDSU 41
NDSU - Punt on NDSU 47, Punt on NDSU 47, INT on NDSU 46, Missed FG on NDSU 32,

I see 17 drives that were killed on the opponents side of the field by either a fumble, INT, or missed FG. 12 more drives where the FG attempt would have been 55+ yards. I assume you wouldn't want any kicker trying that?

so we're left with zero opportunities in the first game against NDSU, once against CP (downs on the 32, which was our last possession and one yard wins the game for us), once against LIB (the last drive of the game in which we needed a TD to win), twice against UCD (vs attempting 47 and 50 yard FG's), twice against WSU (including one that died on the 9, outside the range but I'll count it nonetheless), once against UND (but not really, since this was us taking victory formation at the 5 yard line), twice against PSU (BARELY in PSU territory and we were down by multiple scores and needed TDs), once against ISU (again, outside your range but I'll count it), zero opportunities against EWU or MSU or SDSU (unless you're wanting him to try 55-58 yarders), and zero against NDSU in the playoff game.

So, which ones do I take issue with? The two against Weber. That's it. THOSE are the only two FG's I wish he'd have attempted. A 27-yarder and and a 40 yarder, then tries a 55 yarder...THAT gameplay was a heads scratcher. EVERY SINGLE OTHER time he went for it I agreed with his decision. In fact, there were a handful of times I wished he'd have gone for it instead of punting (EWU, UND, NAU come to mind), but obviously it depends on the distance needed for a 1st down.
 
AZ.....if you are OK with being successful on 50% of FG's beyond 35 yards...then I guess it's not a big deal.....I hope they can find a guy that can do better than that....Sullivan was not better than that.....
 
grizindabox said:
AZ.....if you are OK with being successful on 50% of FG's beyond 35 yards...then I guess it's not a big deal.....I hope they can find a guy that can do better than that....Sullivan was not better than that.....
I'd rather have TD's. And that's why I'm fine with coach going for it between the 20 and 40 yard lines. Again, unless time is running out and we need a 40 yarder for the game winner....
 
AZGrizFan said:
grizindabox said:
AZ.....if you are OK with being successful on 50% of FG's beyond 35 yards...then I guess it's not a big deal.....I hope they can find a guy that can do better than that....Sullivan was not better than that.....
I'd rather have TD's. And that's why I'm fine with coach going for it between the 20 and 40 yard lines. Again, unless time is running out and we need a 40 yarder for the game winner....

And I am not arguing against touchdowns.....and my complaint has nothing to do with the red zone....
 
grizindabox said:
AZGrizFan said:
grizindabox said:
AZ.....if you are OK with being successful on 50% of FG's beyond 35 yards...then I guess it's not a big deal.....I hope they can find a guy that can do better than that....Sullivan was not better than that.....
I'd rather have TD's. And that's why I'm fine with coach going for it between the 20 and 40 yard lines. Again, unless time is running out and we need a 40 yarder for the game winner....

And I am not arguing against touchdowns.....and my complaint has nothing to do with the red zone....

Then you are posting on the wrong thread...
 
Hard to argue that 14-15 inside of 45 isn't excellent (yet somehow some people still manage to). Why weren't there more attempts outside 45? You sure can't put that on the kicker. Last time I checked he has to kick it where it is placed. I don't think Sully's ability is the issue here.
 
SoldierGriz said:
grizindabox said:
AZGrizFan said:
grizindabox said:
AZ.....if you are OK with being successful on 50% of FG's beyond 35 yards...then I guess it's not a big deal.....I hope they can find a guy that can do better than that....Sullivan was not better than that.....
I'd rather have TD's. And that's why I'm fine with coach going for it between the 20 and 40 yard lines. Again, unless time is running out and we need a 40 yarder for the game winner....

And I am not arguing against touchdowns.....and my complaint has nothing to do with the red zone....

Then you are posting on the wrong thread...

I guess it is not OK to post tangential arguments that stem from the original topic....sure it is....so GFYO....
 
grizindabox said:
SoldierGriz said:
grizindabox said:
AZGrizFan said:
I'd rather have TD's. And that's why I'm fine with coach going for it between the 20 and 40 yard lines. Again, unless time is running out and we need a 40 yarder for the game winner....

And I am not arguing against touchdowns.....and my complaint has nothing to do with the red zone....

Then you are posting on the wrong thread...

I guess it is not OK to post tangential arguments that stem from the original topic....sure it is....so GFYO....
:hijack:

Again from the box.
 
SoldierGriz said:
grizindabox said:
SoldierGriz said:
grizindabox said:
And I am not arguing against touchdowns.....and my complaint has nothing to do with the red zone....

Then you are posting on the wrong thread...

I guess it is not OK to post tangential arguments that stem from the original topic....sure it is....so GFYO....
:hijack:

Again from the box.

really....talking about the kicking position....when it was a big part of the original thread....if I would have compared the Griz red zone scoring to your sex life....then yeah....I could see the argument for hijacking the thread....but come on man....I was not the first person to mention kicking.....
 
grizindabox said:
SoldierGriz said:
grizindabox said:
SoldierGriz said:
Then you are posting on the wrong thread...

I guess it is not OK to post tangential arguments that stem from the original topic....sure it is....so GFYO....
:hijack:

Again from the box.

really....talking about the kicking position....when it was a big part of the original thread....if I would have compared the Griz red zone scoring to your sex life....then yeah....I could see the argument for hijacking the thread....but come on man....I was not the first person to mention kicking.....

:lol: This place never gets old.

3 things: 1. Kicker did his job inside the red zone. 2. Stitt uses all the downs in the middle of the field as a philosophy; saying he used all the downs for offense versus kicking FGs is unknowable. 3. Kicker is not Dan Carpenter...yet.
 
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