20 Thoughts on NAU

[mtgriz]

My recollection of the Nguyen play was that he was outside the box, but still working through the wash of blockers and tacklers, had to hesitate, and the NAU guy, showing great motor by following the play, was able to get him. It really isn't that uncommon to see hustling defensive linemen make this kind of play.

One thing I thought, was that the third quarter fourth down try that failed was a little early. 20 minutes to go and an 18 point deficit, I think I would have punted and tried to gain field position with a three and out. The goal being to score once before the end of the third quarter and go to the fourth within anywhere from 11-15 points. Once we failed on that one play, the air seemed to be out of the balloon, and put a little more vim (lol) in NAU.

 

[Fahque]

For AZ:

Did no. 4 get caught from behind on a long pass/run that looked like it would be a TD?

Did Calhoun, the rb, get tripped up for the 2d game in a row by something diving at his feet from an angle?

On what play did Nguyen get caught from behind by a d-tackle? I didn't see any play when he was in clear and got caught like that. His longest run was 12 yards. D-lineman dive and catch runners from behind in the box all the time, because they haven't had time to straighten out and accelerate to full speed.

How does a receiver jump up and touch a high pass if it is 4-8 feet over his head? Or do you literally mean over his head, and not over his hands?

Yes, JLM is extremely important to the team.

I'm fine with Lyons.

I agree with some of your other points.

To Brewskis and others, Y. Sanders is a good player and you are criticizing him too much.

Nguyen got caught from behind by the nose tackle. I remember posting about it in the game thread.

Describe the play. What were the circumstances? How did he "get caught from behind"? How far from the line of scrimmage did he get caught from behind? I really don't care what you posted. Most of your posts are not correct.

Go watch it yourself. There's video available

And GFY

 

[Ursus1]

My recollection of the Nguyen play was that he was outside the box, but still working through the wash of blockers and tacklers, had to hesitate, and the NAU guy, showing great motor by following the play, was able to get him. It really isn't that uncommon to see hustling defensive linemen make this kind of play.

One thing I thought, was that the third quarter fourth down try that failed was a little early. 20 minutes to go and an 18 point deficit, I think I would have punted and tried to gain field position with a three and out. The goal being to score once before the end of the third quarter and go to the fourth within anywhere from 11-15 points. Once we failed on that one play, the air seemed to be out of the balloon, and put a little more vim (lol) in NAU.

 

[Ursus1]

My recollection of the Nguyen play was that he was outside the box, but still working through the wash of blockers and tacklers, had to hesitate, and the NAU guy, showing great motor by following the play, was able to get him. It really isn't that uncommon to see hustling defensive linemen make this kind of play.

One thing I thought, was that the third quarter fourth down try that failed was a little early. 20 minutes to go and an 18 point deficit, I think I would have punted and tried to gain field position with a three and out. The goal being to score once before the end of the third quarter and go to the fourth within anywhere from 11-15 points. Once we failed on that one play, the air seemed to be out of the balloon, and put a little more vim (lol) in NAU.

Same thought here about that 4th down decision...too early and after failing it forced going every time after

 

[Ursa Major]

For AZ:

Did no. 4 get caught from behind on a long pass/run that looked like it would be a TD?

Did Calhoun, the rb, get tripped up for the 2d game in a row by something diving at his feet from an angle?

On what play did Nguyen get caught from behind by a d-tackle? I didn't see any play when he was in clear and got caught like that. His longest run was 12 yards. D-lineman dive and catch runners from behind in the box all the time, because they haven't had time to straighten out and accelerate to full speed.

How does a receiver jump up and touch a high pass if it is 4-8 feet over his head? Or do you literally mean over his head, and not over his hands?

Yes, JLM is extremely important to the team.

I'm fine with Lyons.

I agree with some of your other points.

To Brewskis and others, Y. Sanders is a good player and you are criticizing him too much.

Nguyen got caught from behind by the nose tackle. I remember posting about it in the game thread.

Describe the play. What were the circumstances? How did he "get caught from behind"? How far from the line of scrimmage did he get caught from behind? I really don't care what you posted. Most of your posts are not correct.

Go watch it yourself. There's video available

And GFY

:lol:

 

[PlayerRep]

For AZ:

Did no. 4 get caught from behind on a long pass/run that looked like it would be a TD?

Did Calhoun, the rb, get tripped up for the 2d game in a row by something diving at his feet from an angle?

On what play did Nguyen get caught from behind by a d-tackle? I didn't see any play when he was in clear and got caught like that. His longest run was 12 yards. D-lineman dive and catch runners from behind in the box all the time, because they haven't had time to straighten out and accelerate to full speed.

How does a receiver jump up and touch a high pass if it is 4-8 feet over his head? Or do you literally mean over his head, and not over his hands?

Yes, JLM is extremely important to the team.

I'm fine with Lyons.

I agree with some of your other points.

To Brewskis and others, Y. Sanders is a good player and you are criticizing him too much.

Nguyen got caught from behind by the nose tackle. I remember posting about it in the game thread.

Describe the play. What were the circumstances? How did he "get caught from behind"? How far from the line of scrimmage did he get caught from behind? I really don't care what you posted. Most of your posts are not correct.

Go watch it yourself. There's video available

And GFY

No, you brought up the play. You describe it in more detail or link the video. Because you won't or can't do that, makes me think that it didn't occur.

 

[kemajic]

Due to traveling did not see the game, but after reading this I would have thought we lost by 30. With the D/O/ STs(others suggested) all having bad games against a good team on the road in a dome (no audible I assume), I would say we did pretty good to only lose by 11. The score is flip flopped on John Hoyt field.

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

 

[AZGrizFan]

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

Part of the reason NAU had so many points was that Stitt realized in the 3d quarter that we had to be extra aggressive and go for it on 4th down in our own territory if we had any chance of catching up. The O didn't convert on those. NAU got one TD and kept UM pinned in their own territory. So, in my view, there's more to the story on UM being down 45-20.

We came out after halftime down 8. We went into the 4th down 25. The Jacks' 1st score in the 2nd half came after returning the opening kickoff to our 47. The 2nd score came after Homan's fumble and the ensuing PF against Dallas Hart that put the ball on our 31. Only the 3rd score was after taking over on a failed 4th down conversion...and that was with 5:46 left in the 3rd, at which point we were only down 38-20.

Don't understand your point. Looks like what you said supports what I said.

My point is you're incorrect. We were NOT down a ton, nor did we have to be "extra aggressive" to catch up. We weren't out of striking distance until the last 5 minutes of the quarter, and only one of their 3rd quarter scores was as a result of a failed 4th down conversion.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Due to traveling did not see the game, but after reading this I would have thought we lost by 30. With the D/O/ STs(others suggested) all having bad games against a good team on the road in a dome (no audible I assume), I would say we did pretty good to only lose by 11. The score is flip flopped on John Hoyt field.

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

Not when we're down 25 and they've switched to a "prevent" and gone conservative on the offensive side, no. We got manhandled, plain and simple....the final score was not indicative of how poorly we matched up.

 

[rimrockgriz]

Due to traveling did not see the game, but after reading this I would have thought we lost by 30. With the D/O/ STs(others suggested) all having bad games against a good team on the road in a dome (no audible I assume), I would say we did pretty good to only lose by 11. The score is flip flopped on John Hoyt field.

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

Not when we're down 25 and they've switched to a "prevent" and gone conservative on the offensive side, no. We got manhandled, plain and simple....the final score was not indicative of how poorly we matched up.

+1. I was there. They kicked our asses up and down the field. NAU went to a handoff and a river dance in the 4th quarter. They went with the percentages and ran the clock down to zippo on each play. The team and the fans were beat down at this point and just wanted it to end. I would have been satisfied to get a grip on the neck of the announcer. That was a story in itself... :egriz:

 

[PlayerRep]

Due to traveling did not see the game, but after reading this I would have thought we lost by 30. With the D/O/ STs(others suggested) all having bad games against a good team on the road in a dome (no audible I assume), I would say we did pretty good to only lose by 11. The score is flip flopped on John Hoyt field.

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

Not when we're down 25 and they've switched to a "prevent" and gone conservative on the offensive side, no. We got manhandled, plain and simple....the final score was not indicative of how poorly we matched up.

No, UM did not get manhandled. Where do you think we didn't match up?

 

[PlayerRep]

Part of the reason NAU had so many points was that Stitt realized in the 3d quarter that we had to be extra aggressive and go for it on 4th down in our own territory if we had any chance of catching up. The O didn't convert on those. NAU got one TD and kept UM pinned in their own territory. So, in my view, there's more to the story on UM being down 45-20.

We came out after halftime down 8. We went into the 4th down 25. The Jacks' 1st score in the 2nd half came after returning the opening kickoff to our 47. The 2nd score came after Homan's fumble and the ensuing PF against Dallas Hart that put the ball on our 31. Only the 3rd score was after taking over on a failed 4th down conversion...and that was with 5:46 left in the 3rd, at which point we were only down 38-20.

Don't understand your point. Looks like what you said supports what I said.

My point is you're incorrect. We were NOT down a ton, nor did we have to be "extra aggressive" to catch up. We weren't out of striking distance until the last 5 minutes of the quarter, and only one of their 3rd quarter scores was as a result of a failed 4th down conversion.

Still don't understand what you are talking about. The way the game was going UM, with NAU making more plays than UM was, and having a nice lead, I believe Stitt made the decision, and I'm fine with the decision, to be more aggressive. However, it turned out that being more aggressive put UM in worse field position and led to more scoring by NAU.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We came out after halftime down 8. We went into the 4th down 25. The Jacks' 1st score in the 2nd half came after returning the opening kickoff to our 47. The 2nd score came after Homan's fumble and the ensuing PF against Dallas Hart that put the ball on our 31. Only the 3rd score was after taking over on a failed 4th down conversion...and that was with 5:46 left in the 3rd, at which point we were only down 38-20.

Don't understand your point. Looks like what you said supports what I said.

My point is you're incorrect. We were NOT down a ton, nor did we have to be "extra aggressive" to catch up. We weren't out of striking distance until the last 5 minutes of the quarter, and only one of their 3rd quarter scores was as a result of a failed 4th down conversion.

Still don't understand what you are talking about. The way the game was going UM, with NAU making more plays than UM was, and having a nice lead, I believe Stitt made the decision, and I'm fine with the decision, to be more aggressive. However, it turned out that being more aggressive put UM in worse field position and led to more scoring by NAU.

Doesn't matter. We stopped them just 3 times all day. Didn't matter where they started their drives...all the short fields did was get the ball back to our offense quicker, for the most part.

 

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

Not when we're down 25 and they've switched to a "prevent" and gone conservative on the offensive side, no. We got manhandled, plain and simple....the final score was not indicative of how poorly we matched up.

No, UM did not get manhandled. Where do you think we didn't match up?

I really hope the coaches don't think like you because we got handled, from the first play to the last. I was there....I yelled until I couldn't yell anymore. I stayed for every miserable minute of that game and congratulated NAU on a complete beat down. I don't care what the final stats or score was, we got it handed to us, plain and simple. :twocents:

 

[AZGrizFan]

So you're fooled by the two late scores to make the final "respectable"? Because it was 45-20 midway through the 4th.

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

Not when we're down 25 and they've switched to a "prevent" and gone conservative on the offensive side, no. We got manhandled, plain and simple....the final score was not indicative of how poorly we matched up.

No, UM did not get manhandled. Where do you think we didn't match up?

Good lord. Down 25 in the 4th. 167 meaningless yards in the last two drives....we got owned. Plain and simple. Even Stitt realizes it.


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[PlayerRep]

So 4th quarter scores should not count.

Not when we're down 25 and they've switched to a "prevent" and gone conservative on the offensive side, no. We got manhandled, plain and simple....the final score was not indicative of how poorly we matched up.

No, UM did not get manhandled. Where do you think we didn't match up?

I really hope the coaches don't think like you because we got handled, from the first play to the last. I was there....I yelled until I couldn't yell anymore. I stayed for every miserable minute of that game and congratulated NAU on a complete beat down. I don't care what the final stats or score was, we got it handed to us, plain and simple. :twocents:

I have some bad news for you. This is what the coaches thought. That's where I got it.

 

[Fushiznitz]

Wow. Let's go ahead and argue semantics. 'Manhandled' is surely subjective. Objectively, the Griz lost. Dare I say- handily?