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1 Griz & 1 former Griz in trouble

I don't know about a demotion, and have no idea what the punishment will be, BUT DeShields will be punished. He was arrested. That's all the student-conduct code needs to procede with at least some form of punishment as pointed out earlier by Haslam. For the people who want to defend the actions of student-athletes because they hear "did or didn't" rumors from these incidents, the student code of conduct is a lot more cut and dry now. Keron may not get the severe punishment of games suspended or dismissal from the team, or maybe he will, but one thing ALL of these kids can be assured of going forward is, they will be punished by the student conduct code, regardless of rumor an innuendo.
 
I personally object to the demonetization to the Missoula police and sheriff officers. I do and have know quite a few of these fine officers, I will tell you they will go out of there way to cut a person a break. I find this blame the officers mentality kind of like blaming the messenger for bad news.
 
first11 said:
..next up our tennis team in a downtown brawl?
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Please, please, please let this be the next one! I would like to see some video of the V-neck sweaters flying and hair pulling!
 
Spanky said:
Peaux....I've known many quality tennis players that were also pretty capable with fisticuffs.
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I actually I had friend when I went to college who was a D-! tennis player who I think only the larger football players would consider messing with. Golden Glove (do they have that any more?) and black belt in judo.
 
Yes, and often some of the top tennis players are the best pure natural athletes competing in an individual sport.
 
Easy fellas, I was just joking. I know Tennis players have to be in great physical shape. That was simply the first image that jumped in my head and it was hilarious.
 
Mslacat said:
I personally object to the demonetization to the Missoula police and sheriff officers. I do and have know quite a few of these fine officers, I will tell you they will go out of there way to cut a person a break. I find this blame the officers mentality kind of like blaming the messenger for bad news.
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Mslacat, with all due respect, it is not merely demonization when one has first had first hand experience with the Msla PD that involved blatant lying and other inappropriate behavior by police officers. I will leave it at that.
 
Mslacat said:
I personally object to the demonetization to the Missoula police and sheriff officers. I do and have know quite a few of these fine officers, I will tell you they will go out of there way to cut a person a break. I find this blame the officers mentality kind of like blaming the messenger for bad news.
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I'm not saying there aren't good ones out there, of course there are. The reputation of the Missoula PD though is well earned and also well documented. I also knew a guy who was a police officer here in Missoula, and he is a nice guy. Still my opinion on the Missoula PD as a whole is VERY low. Lies, shady behavior to try to coerce false confessions and make their jobs easier, overreactions leading to guns drawn over very minor incidents (where all charges were dropped), etc etc... Not going to go into details, but my opinion on their thuggery isn't based on me wanting shoot the messenger for bad news...
 
GrizWhiz said:
Mslacat said:
I personally object to the demonetization to the Missoula police and sheriff officers. I do and have know quite a few of these fine officers, I will tell you they will go out of there way to cut a person a break. I find this blame the officers mentality kind of like blaming the messenger for bad news.
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Mslacat, with all due respect, it is not merely demonization when one has first had first hand experience with the Msla PD that involved blatant lying and other inappropriate behavior by police officers. I will leave it at that.
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Probably a select few idiots on MPD just like there are a select few idiots within UM athletic teams. Is it fair to paint either of those departments with a broad brush?
 
Potomac Griz said:
Mslacat said:
I personally object to the demonetization to the Missoula police and sheriff officers. I do and have know quite a few of these fine officers, I will tell you they will go out of there way to cut a person a break. I find this blame the officers mentality kind of like blaming the messenger for bad news.
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I'm not saying there aren't good ones out there, of course there are. The reputation of the Missoula PD though is well earned and also well documented. I also knew a guy who was a police officer here in Missoula, and he is a nice guy. Still my opinion on the Missoula PD as a whole is VERY low. Lies, shady behavior to try to coerce false confessions and make their jobs easier, overreactions leading to guns drawn over very minor incidents (where all charges were dropped), etc etc... Not going to go into details, but my opinion on their thuggery isn't based on me wanting shoot the messenger for bad news...
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racist... :coffee:

It's unfortunate that college athletes at any program can't stay out of trouble. In this day and age, college athletes should be held to a higher standard. Athletes are the face of not only an athletic team but also the entire university or college. I'm proud of the majority of athletes at any Montana college or university that work hard, study, and stay out of trouble and shed a positive light on their program/school. But I have absolutely no sympathy for those student athletes that abuse the privilege of being a collegiate athlete. And it bugs me that so many people continually defend these athletes and simply dismiss their actions as normal college behavior. My kids both graduated from regional universities without ever once getting in a fight, getting arrested, stealing, etc. I'm also smart enough to realize they did some underage drinking, etc. but they also understand the basic concept of right vs. wrong. Where the hell did we go wrong as a society to start justifying any bad behavior as normal? We, as fans of quality Montana universities should embrace the fact that we don't want ANYTHING to tarnish the brands both programs have built, academically or athletically. I know there are a lot of fans that agree with me but unfortunately it will be the others that will be more vocal and continue to defend these immoral actions by the minority of athletes.
 
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grizbrokebacker1 said:
And it bugs me that so many people continually defend these athletes and simply dismiss their actions as normal college behavior. My kids both graduated from regional universities without ever once getting in a fight, getting arrested, stealing, etc. I'm also smart enough to realize they did some underage drinking, etc. but they also understand the basic concept of right vs. wrong. Where the hell did we go wrong as a society to start justifying any bad behavior as normal? We, as fans of quality Montana universities should embrace the fact that we don't want ANYTHING to tarnish the brands both programs have built, academically or athletically. I know there are a lot of fans that agree with me but unfortunately it will be the others that will be more vocal and continue to defend these immoral actions by the minority of athletes.
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No one is defending or justifying anything here, since no one knows wtf happened yet. Lets wait and hear the full story before we decide whether these kids were "immoral" or not. What happened could have been as minor as an argument that got loud, or it could have been something more serious. Some would call your kids immoral for their underage drinking too, and say you are just trying to justify immoral actions by implying it's typical college behavior too :P

Anyway, looking at the charges I kind of doubt it was anything very serious... Usually if it was something more serious and the "resisting arrest" was anything more than verbally objecting to the arrest (like it involved physical contact with the cop), additional charges would have been thrown at them. I could be wrong though of course... point is we don't know what happened so before we jump up on our soap boxes and demand punishment and start throwing our stones we should probably wait and find out actually what happened.
 
I think the majority of Montana fans of college football have had enough. It's apparant that the UM AD office can't get it through these athletes and coaches heads that drinking in public in Missoula is a really bad idea right now. If you haven't figured it, when a UM athlete farts in public, we smell it all over the state in a few minutes. The problem isn't the police, and it isn't the Missoulian. The athletes aren't buying in to flying below the radar until the inquisition's over - that's the problem.
 
...minor deal or not.....for these guys and others not "reading" the status quo hyper news situation re all things um is mind numbing....

Too bad we have a hyper vigilant environment but the tide is turning whether we like it or not
 
Cuzin Zeek said:
I think the majority of Montana fans of college football have had enough. It's apparant that the UM AD office can't get it through these athletes and coaches heads that drinking in public in Missoula is a really bad idea right now. If you haven't figured it, when a UM athlete farts in public, we smell it all over the state in a few minutes. The problem isn't the police, and it isn't the Missoulian. The athletes aren't buying in to flying below the radar until the inquisition's over - that's the problem.
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I get what you're saying, and it is valid. But one correction on this issue. It was basketball players. And overall Tinkle has done a heck of a job keeping players out of trouble, and when they do screw up he was disciplined well. Like I said, it is a valid point, but in this case that particular statement doesn't mean a whole lot.
 
Grizbroke....I don't believe that your kids didn't get in a fight. How about you....did you get in a fight while in college? Getting in a fight isn't terrible behavior for any student..athlete or otherwise.
 
Spanky said:
Grizbroke....I don't believe that your kids didn't get in a fight. How about you....did you get in a fight while in college? Getting in a fight isn't terrible behavior for any student..athlete or otherwise.
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Spanky, you are right. Unfortunately, in this day and age, coaches need to tell these kids over and over, don't even put yourself in this position. Rather they are guilty or innocent, it just does not look good on the person, the team, the program, and university. Even if Deshields is 100% innocent is of whatever broke out, Tinkle has every right in the world to be upset he was there. He is underage, and should not have been in a bar to begin with, even if he were not drinking. As for Cherry, he is of age, and I hope he did not cause the trouble.

Keron should be disciplined for being there as a minor. How many times do coaches have to tell their players this crap? It is beyond ridiculous anymore.
 
mtgrizrule....when the rules are set, they must be realistic. As a father whose son competed in a major conference, I'm not certain athletes today can be held to such a high standard. Drinking maybe, but fighting and other minor violations, I don't think so.
 
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