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SaskGriz

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This should maybe go in the recruiting thread but since last week some meth addled looney was spouting authentic frontier gibberish about SEC recruiting star ratings vs Pac 12 recruiting star ratings, I put it in the general threads.

This is all off the internet so grain of salt if it's not 100% accurate.

There are three major recruiting services that give out star ratings; 247, Rivals, and ESPN. They all have a little bit different criteria.

In terms of numbers there are 34 Five Star recruits, 332 4 stars, 2087 3 stars, and on average 10,044 2 star or below.

Side notes; of the 100,000 players who come out of HS each year a little more than 1 in 10 go on to play in collage. In an average year in looks like about 20 of the 34 5 star recruits get drafted to play on Sundays.
 
SaskGriz said:
This should maybe go in the recruiting thread but since last week some meth addled looney was spouting authentic frontier gibberish about SEC recruiting star ratings vs Pac 12 recruiting star ratings, I put it in the general threads.

This is all off the internet so grain of salt if it's not 100% accurate.

There are three major recruiting services that give out star ratings; 247, Rivals, and ESPN. They all have a little bit different criteria.

In terms of numbers there are 34 Five Star recruits, 332 4 stars, 2087 3 stars, and on average 10,044 2 star or below.

Side notes; of the 100,000 players who come out of HS each year a little more than 1 in 10 go on to play in collage. In an average year in looks like about 20 of the 34 5 star recruits get drafted to play on Sundays.
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Obviously those are the SEC ones! :roll:
 
SaskGriz said:
This should maybe go in the recruiting thread but since last week some meth addled looney was spouting authentic frontier gibberish about SEC recruiting star ratings vs Pac 12 recruiting star ratings, I put it in the general threads.

This is all off the internet so grain of salt if it's not 100% accurate.

There are three major recruiting services that give out star ratings; 247, Rivals, and ESPN. They all have a little bit different criteria.

In terms of numbers there are 34 Five Star recruits, 332 4 stars, 2087 3 stars, and on average 10,044 2 star or below.

Side notes; of the 100,000 players who come out of HS each year a little more than 1 in 10 go on to play in collage. In an average year in looks like about 20 of the 34 5 star recruits get drafted to play on Sundays.
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I would lump the On3 Rankings in there as well. On3 was started and is ran by the guy (Shannon Terry) who founded and sold both 247 and Rivals. They only got up and running about 18 months ago, but they are slowly evolving into a really good recruiting service with some different analytical tools that the other services don't have.

Additionally, ESPN recruiting is hot garbage. They don't take it seriously therefore their rating system is really flawed.

In regards to sec recruiting, generally speaking their rosters are filled with more talent on average. 247 has a metric, Team Talent Composite, which measures an entire rosters recruiting rating, or in essence how talented a roster is. If you look at the top 25 of these rankings, the SEC has 10 of the top 25 teams, including 3 out of the top 5. The Pac 12 has 4 total, and none in the top 5. By the standards of recruiting ranking, the SEC is vastly more talented than any conference in the country, and it has shown with how many NC's they have won recently.
 
SaskGriz said:
This should maybe go in the recruiting thread but since last week some meth addled looney was spouting authentic frontier gibberish about SEC recruiting star ratings vs Pac 12 recruiting star ratings, I put it in the general threads.

This is all off the internet so grain of salt if it's not 100% accurate.

There are three major recruiting services that give out star ratings; 247, Rivals, and ESPN. They all have a little bit different criteria.

In terms of numbers there are 34 Five Star recruits, 332 4 stars, 2087 3 stars, and on average 10,044 2 star or below.

Side notes; of the 100,000 players who come out of HS each year a little more than 1 in 10 go on to play in collage. In an average year in looks like about 20 of the 34 5 star recruits get drafted to play on Sundays.
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Changed a lot in the 20 years I've been working in High Schools and Coaching.

Up until about 5 years ago there was little consistency because most of the evaluators were regional only and there wasn't a ton of cross checking. So unlike the Central Scouting Service for hockey, football, basketball and baseball in the US really struggle in getting a consistent evaluation method for recruiting purposes. I wouldn't have given you a plug nickel for their actual value, other than to create conversation between people on message boards. Better today, but still not a good indicator of much of anything beyond the top 10% of high school seniors.

The top 300 kids nationally are going to be fairly accurate, but the further down that list you are going to have an absolute avalanche of kids who haven't been seen enough at invites, camps or in games to get a true bead on them and that is where offers and kids self reporting their interest/ recruiting visits influence a lot of the upward or downward movement of kids.

Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, etc are still given the shaft, and unless the kids want to get exposure to improve their stock in recruiting. California, Texas, Florida are pretty dang well scouted and covered by those groups you can figure you could get the top 100-200 in each state without seeing them live, and throw an offer unseen and feel somewhat good about it.

For Montana, Vim is about as good as there gets in ranking Montana kids. Better than any publication I've seen.
 
Here are some star rankings for players that made the pro bowl this year.
Mahomes 3
jacobs 3
Kelce 2
J Kelce 0
jefferson 3
Bitonio 2

Stars are nice but talent,development,heart and opportunity trump stars.
 
At this level stars mean nothing. Most of the guys FCS schools recruit, especially in the northwest, don’t get evaluated.

In major college football it is literally the most important thing. If you don’t have multiple top 5 classes in a row you have zero chance of winning the national title.
 
Mavman said:
Here are some star rankings for players that made the pro bowl this year.
Mahomes 3
jacobs 3
Kelce 2
J Kelce 0
jefferson 3
Bitonio 2

Stars are nice but talent,development,heart and opportunity trump stars.
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Great post!!! This is very true. The FBS and FCS really should do away with the star rating. And, if they can't, I think most coaches know it is just a barometer to try and know where someone "may" line up. Not a perfect science. However, it all becomes evident at fall camp each year. Some 4-5 stars just wind up being regular guys, and the unrated players often dominate them. Happens alot. We will always see at least half the NFL Hall of Fame come from under rated, and non-rated players. I kind of like the old Blue Chip profiles that highlighted top players to watch. Never a substitute for really getting out there and seeing the guys play. Many diamonds in the rough for sure. And. . .on another note. . .we need to really try to stop viewing and speaking of the FCS as a drop down from the FBS. It is a drop down from P5 schools for sure, but the rest of the FBS schools are very close to most of the FCS schools. Just saying.
 
WaGriz4life said:
At this level stars mean nothing. Most of the guys FCS schools recruit, especially in the northwest, don’t get evaluated.

In major college football it is literally the most important thing. If you don’t have multiple top 5 classes in a row you have zero chance of winning the national title.
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And if you’re Texas A&M, you can have multiple top 5 classes and STILL go 3-8. :lol: :lol:
 
AZGrizFan said:
WaGriz4life said:
At this level stars mean nothing. Most of the guys FCS schools recruit, especially in the northwest, don’t get evaluated.

In major college football it is literally the most important thing. If you don’t have multiple top 5 classes in a row you have zero chance of winning the national title.
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And if you’re Texas A&M, you can have multiple top 5 classes and STILL go 3-8. :lol: :lol:
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Oregon over about 7-8 years is also a head scratcher...If not for Bama and Clemson, they might have cornered the 5-star market during that stretch.
 
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