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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Ursus1 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:58 pm

grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm
BillingsMafia wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:29 am
I watched the scrimmage, Harris made some very nice throws, Graves did not. It was black and white. I left wondering why Graves is getting all this QB work, he isn't a qb. Harris on the other hand is.
For one, I don't think the coaches base things off of 3 throws in the Spring scrimmage...but I could be wrong.
Have you personally talked with any players on the down low about his ability at QB? Didn't think so

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by alabamagrizzly » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:26 pm

grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm
BillingsMafia wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:29 am
I watched the scrimmage, Harris made some very nice throws, Graves did not. It was black and white. I left wondering why Graves is getting all this QB work, he isn't a qb. Harris on the other hand is.
For one, I don't think the coaches base things off of 3 throws in the Spring scrimmage...but I could be wrong.
I agree, but coaches do like to see how players perform in live action, like a spring scrimmage, as well as in games. More pressure to perform in those situations. Limited data, but what's not to like about 2 TD's for his team in 2 possessions, set up or accomplished by 2 longer pass plays? As has been noted, the TD pass was perfectly thrown and hit the receiver in stride.

How would you rate Graves in the scrimmage?
Less than ideal, but I agree with Brint that they really want him to be the #3 guy. My take, if the Griz have to rely on either this season, it won't be good.
There probably isn’t a team in the country that will feel good about having to rely on their 3rd or 4th string QB but for what it’s worth, Stitt won with a 4th string QB vs a 2nd string QB.
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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Ursus1 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:18 pm

alabamagrizzly wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:26 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm


For one, I don't think the coaches base things off of 3 throws in the Spring scrimmage...but I could be wrong.
I agree, but coaches do like to see how players perform in live action, like a spring scrimmage, as well as in games. More pressure to perform in those situations. Limited data, but what's not to like about 2 TD's for his team in 2 possessions, set up or accomplished by 2 longer pass plays? As has been noted, the TD pass was perfectly thrown and hit the receiver in stride.

How would you rate Graves in the scrimmage?
Less than ideal, but I agree with Brint that they really want him to be the #3 guy. My take, if the Griz have to rely on either this season, it won't be good.
There probably isn’t a team in the country that will feel good about having to rely on their 3rd or 4th string QB but for what it’s worth, Stitt won with a 4th string QB vs a 2nd string QB.
Bobby lost with handpicked transfer starter against a linebacker playing QB

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by alabamagrizzly » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:05 am

Ursus1 wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:18 pm
alabamagrizzly wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:26 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm


I agree, but coaches do like to see how players perform in live action, like a spring scrimmage, as well as in games. More pressure to perform in those situations. Limited data, but what's not to like about 2 TD's for his team in 2 possessions, set up or accomplished by 2 longer pass plays? As has been noted, the TD pass was perfectly thrown and hit the receiver in stride.

How would you rate Graves in the scrimmage?
Less than ideal, but I agree with Brint that they really want him to be the #3 guy. My take, if the Griz have to rely on either this season, it won't be good.
There probably isn’t a team in the country that will feel good about having to rely on their 3rd or 4th string QB but for what it’s worth, Stitt won with a 4th string QB vs a 2nd string QB.
Bobby lost with handpicked transfer starter against a linebacker playing QB
See, that just proves that anything’s possible.
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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by alabamagrizzly » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:09 am

bgbigdog wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:19 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm


For one, I don't think the coaches base things off of 3 throws in the Spring scrimmage...but I could be wrong.
I agree, but coaches do like to see how players perform in live action, like a spring scrimmage, as well as in games. More pressure to perform in those situations. Limited data, but what's not to like about 2 TD's for his team in 2 possessions, set up or accomplished by 2 longer pass plays? As has been noted, the TD pass was perfectly thrown and hit the receiver in stride.

How would you rate Graves in the scrimmage?
Less than ideal, but I agree with Brint that they really want him to be the #3 guy. My take, if the Griz have to rely on either this season, it won't be good.
So we’re hoping this year turns into a mulligan for the backups? & somehow they just get exponentially better next season when Dalton rides off into the sunset. If they aren’t good enough now, I’d find it really tough to believe a season of watching Sneed from the sidelines is going to be all they need to get ready to take the reins. That’s a poor bet.
So I’m guessing you’ve never heard of player development and you must think every eventual starter was that good straight out of high school?
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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by getgrizzy » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:37 am

alabamagrizzly wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:09 am
bgbigdog wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:19 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:43 pm


I agree, but coaches do like to see how players perform in live action, like a spring scrimmage, as well as in games. More pressure to perform in those situations. Limited data, but what's not to like about 2 TD's for his team in 2 possessions, set up or accomplished by 2 longer pass plays? As has been noted, the TD pass was perfectly thrown and hit the receiver in stride.

How would you rate Graves in the scrimmage?
Less than ideal, but I agree with Brint that they really want him to be the #3 guy. My take, if the Griz have to rely on either this season, it won't be good.
So we’re hoping this year turns into a mulligan for the backups? & somehow they just get exponentially better next season when Dalton rides off into the sunset. If they aren’t good enough now, I’d find it really tough to believe a season of watching Sneed from the sidelines is going to be all they need to get ready to take the reins. That’s a poor bet.
So I’m guessing you’ve never heard of player development and you must think every eventual starter was that good straight out of high school?
I’ve heard we’ve got a JC lined up for next year. A player Bobby was recruiting to SDSU that fell through and went the JC route.

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by grizindabox » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:35 am

Ursus1 wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:58 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:10 pm
BillingsMafia wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:29 am
I watched the scrimmage, Harris made some very nice throws, Graves did not. It was black and white. I left wondering why Graves is getting all this QB work, he isn't a qb. Harris on the other hand is.
For one, I don't think the coaches base things off of 3 throws in the Spring scrimmage...but I could be wrong.
Have you personally talked with any players on the down low about his ability at QB? Didn't think so
"down low" sounds so creepy.

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by bgbigdog » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:15 am

getgrizzy wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:37 am
alabamagrizzly wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:09 am
bgbigdog wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:19 pm
grizindabox wrote:
Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:30 pm


Less than ideal, but I agree with Brint that they really want him to be the #3 guy. My take, if the Griz have to rely on either this season, it won't be good.
So we’re hoping this year turns into a mulligan for the backups? & somehow they just get exponentially better next season when Dalton rides off into the sunset. If they aren’t good enough now, I’d find it really tough to believe a season of watching Sneed from the sidelines is going to be all they need to get ready to take the reins. That’s a poor bet.
So I’m guessing you’ve never heard of player development and you must think every eventual starter was that good straight out of high school?
I’ve heard we’ve got a JC lined up for next year. A player Bobby was recruiting to SDSU that fell through and went the JC route.
That would certainly be Bobby’s move.

I am if the belief that you (1) recruit the best guys you can find out if HS, which I think means they’re really good to great, (2) they’ll compete their asses off & believe they should be the starter and (3) will be ready to produce when they’re called upon.

Last year was a total anomaly in that Sneed lasted the season without a major injury despite taking a bad beating over the course of it. Not sure that happens again so the backups need to be ready. That goes for all the positions.
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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by grizindabox » Tue Apr 16, 2019 12:55 pm

bgbigdog wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:15 am

Last year was a total anomaly in that Sneed lasted the season without a major injury despite taking a bad beating over the course of it. Not sure that happens again so the backups need to be ready. That goes for all the positions.
True, but how many teams are successful if they are down to #3/4 on the depth chart?

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by IdaGriz01 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:43 pm

Not there on the spot, so do not have much in the way of eyeball views ... except on the infrequent YouTube (etc.) posts.

But reading a wide range of comments here and on other threads ... I'm getting a weird feeling. I know I've said this before in various threads, but no one has really commented.

We seem to be seeing a lot of work with the two and threes, and mostly token appearances by the supposed ones. Is that accurate?

If so, one can draw two conclusions (one good, one scary): The scary interpretation is that the staff thinks the ones are the best out there, but they ain't that great. Without writing off the year, they're pushing the subs ... hoping some will step up and be good.
On the good side, maybe they think the ones are pretty damn good -- good enough to win a bunch of games if they stay healthy. So their goal is to build depth to be ready when the usual injuries happen.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Bjorn Bjornstein » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:56 pm

IdaGriz01 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:43 pm
Not there on the spot, so do not have much in the way of eyeball views ... except on the infrequent YouTube (etc.) posts.

But reading a wide range of comments here and on other threads ... I'm getting a weird feeling. I know I've said this before in various threads, but no one has really commented.

We seem to be seeing a lot of work with the two and threes, and mostly token appearances by the supposed ones. Is that accurate?

If so, one can draw two conclusions (one good, one scary): The scary interpretation is that the staff thinks the ones are the best out there, but they ain't that great. Without writing off the year, they're pushing the subs ... hoping some will step up and be good.
On the good side, maybe they think the ones are pretty damn good -- good enough to win a bunch of games if they stay healthy. So their goal is to build depth to be ready when the usual injuries happen.

Any thoughts?
I think it's the latter. Hard to imagine, with the talent returning (especially on the offensive side of the ball) that the one's aren't the best we have...
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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by IdaGriz01 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:21 pm

Bjorn Bjornstein wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:56 pm
IdaGriz01 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:43 pm
Not there on the spot, so do not have much in the way of eyeball views ... except on the infrequent YouTube (etc.) posts.

But reading a wide range of comments here and on other threads ... I'm getting a weird feeling. I know I've said this before in various threads, but no one has really commented.

We seem to be seeing a lot of work with the two and threes, and mostly token appearances by the supposed ones. Is that accurate?

If so, one can draw two conclusions (one good, one scary): The scary interpretation is that the staff thinks the ones are the best out there, but they ain't that great. Without writing off the year, they're pushing the subs ... hoping some will step up and be good.
On the good side, maybe they think the ones are pretty damn good -- good enough to win a bunch of games if they stay healthy. So their goal is to build depth to be ready when the usual injuries happen.

Any thoughts?
I think it's the latter. Hard to imagine, with the talent returning (especially on the offensive side of the ball) that the one's aren't the best we have...
Well, that does not quite address my point. I totally agree that the ones are the best guys available. My question is: Are the coaches pushing the twos and threes because the best (the ones) aren't good enough to win a lot of games, or because they're really good and the team needs to build depth for a deep run?

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Ursus1 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:37 pm

IdaGriz01 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:21 pm
Bjorn Bjornstein wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:56 pm
IdaGriz01 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:43 pm
Not there on the spot, so do not have much in the way of eyeball views ... except on the infrequent YouTube (etc.) posts.

But reading a wide range of comments here and on other threads ... I'm getting a weird feeling. I know I've said this before in various threads, but no one has really commented.

We seem to be seeing a lot of work with the two and threes, and mostly token appearances by the supposed ones. Is that accurate?

If so, one can draw two conclusions (one good, one scary): The scary interpretation is that the staff thinks the ones are the best out there, but they ain't that great. Without writing off the year, they're pushing the subs ... hoping some will step up and be good.
On the good side, maybe they think the ones are pretty damn good -- good enough to win a bunch of games if they stay healthy. So their goal is to build depth to be ready when the usual injuries happen.

Any thoughts?
I think it's the latter. Hard to imagine, with the talent returning (especially on the offensive side of the ball) that the one's aren't the best we have...
Well, that does not quite address my point. I totally agree that the ones are the best guys available. My question is: Are the coaches pushing the twos and threes because the best (the ones) aren't good enough to win a lot of games, or because they're really good and the team needs to build depth for a deep run?
My GUESS is trying to reduce chances of injuries for 1's, not putting already injured bodies through more wear and tear (yes some 1s are not 100% and won't be due to not having some surgeries during offseason) , trying to see who gets shown the door in the next few weeks, getting newer guys reps with playbook since last fall many were just scout team thus not even running a lot of the system and trying to figure out who can maybe be solid backups.

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by 1972 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:51 pm

Ursus1 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:37 pm
IdaGriz01 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:21 pm
Bjorn Bjornstein wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:56 pm
IdaGriz01 wrote:
Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:43 pm
Not there on the spot, so do not have much in the way of eyeball views ... except on the infrequent YouTube (etc.) posts.

But reading a wide range of comments here and on other threads ... I'm getting a weird feeling. I know I've said this before in various threads, but no one has really commented.

We seem to be seeing a lot of work with the two and threes, and mostly token appearances by the supposed ones. Is that accurate?

If so, one can draw two conclusions (one good, one scary): The scary interpretation is that the staff thinks the ones are the best out there, but they ain't that great. Without writing off the year, they're pushing the subs ... hoping some will step up and be good.
On the good side, maybe they think the ones are pretty damn good -- good enough to win a bunch of games if they stay healthy. So their goal is to build depth to be ready when the usual injuries happen.

Any thoughts?
I think it's the latter. Hard to imagine, with the talent returning (especially on the offensive side of the ball) that the one's aren't the best we have...
Well, that does not quite address my point. I totally agree that the ones are the best guys available. My question is: Are the coaches pushing the twos and threes because the best (the ones) aren't good enough to win a lot of games, or because they're really good and the team needs to build depth for a deep run?
My GUESS is trying to reduce chances of injuries for 1's, not putting already injured bodies through more wear and tear (yes some 1s are not 100% and won't be due to not having some surgeries during offseason) , trying to see who gets shown the door in the next few weeks, getting newer guys reps with playbook since last fall many were just scout team thus not even running a lot of the system and trying to figure out who can maybe be solid backups.
I mentioned this at the end of last year about the team. When Bobby was here before he relied on lots of depth and substitution, especially on defense. We didn't have near enough depth last year, ahead in nearly all of our games to start the 4th quarter, then wore down.
As I've watched this spring, it's seems to me that most of the starters (minus a couple) are playing lots of snaps, feel like Bobby is trying to add depth to fix the big problem last year. On defense they are rotating lots of players in the scrimmages.

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Kobezoey » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:30 pm

Paytonlives wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:05 pm
Early Thoughts

QB Battle for #2= Cam Humphreys
Marcus Knight should be #1 RB
Eastwood Short yardage

For sure!!!

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Kobezoey » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:30 pm

Paytonlives wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:05 pm
Early Thoughts

QB Battle for #2= Cam Humphreys
Marcus Knight should be #1 RB
Eastwood Short yardage
I would even use Knight in short yardage. Tough kid.

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Re: Spring Game Thread:

Post by Kobezoey » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:13 pm

PlayerRep wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:08 pm
Paytonlives wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:05 pm
pussycatkillerz wrote:
Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:51 pm
Knight is gonna be good and Akem could be in store for a superstar season.
Would be nice to see a RB that can run away from the Defense
Knight.

See his early long run to 1 or so and td run to corner late in game.
Ya, Knight did run away from the defense. Great explosiveness. Looked like he reached into the end zone too. Refs may have missed that one.

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