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P5 Cancellation Inevitable?

PlayerRep said:
kemajic said:
I can do it again; simple arithmetic converts 24.98/sq km to 54.3/sq mi. We're both unreliable.

Nope, your math or assumption is wrong. Not even close. A KM is .62 of a mile.
My hole is getting deeper; I should stop digging. 24.98/.3861 = 64.7/sq mi Sweden vs. 7.4 MT. Waving white flag....
 
kemajic said:
PlayerRep said:
Nope, your math or assumption is wrong. Not even close. A KM is .62 of a mile.
My hole is getting deeper; I should stop digging. 24.98/.3861 = 64.7/sq mi Sweden vs. 7.4 MT. Waving white flag....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Fuckin’ metric system. I remember learning that shit in grade school because America was the only “outlier”. And here we are, 50 years later, still the only outlier.
 
grizindabox said:
PlayerRep said:
What's being compared is the level of risk. In states like MT, as well as in college football in my opinion, comparing the level of risk makes sense.

Almost half of MT's deaths are in elder care homes. So far, people outside of elder care homes in MT, i.e. people who drive or ride in cars, are much more likely to die from a car accident than the virus.

Do you not understand what level of risk means?

The level of risk isn't even comparable. There are laws, like speed limits, wearing seat belts, and for driving impaired, that are intended to reduce risk along with numerous other items. For Covid, we have some mandates to wear masks and socially distance. Not sure how you can compare level of risk with differences like that. Also, I wonder what the numbers are of people 70+ that die in car accidents compared to Covid this year....

And just like COVID, if we made the auto laws even MORE draconian (cut all speed limits to 30, more stringent personal safety features, required breathalyzer installed on every vehicle, no driving after midnight, etc., etc.) we could get those deaths down even further. We could mitigate that risk down to almost zero. But Americans have settled on about 45,000 deaths a year as “acceptable” risk.

What’s the level of risk you’re willing to accept for COVID? Because right now, even if you catch it, you have a 99.4% chance of surviving.

Personally, I’ll take those odds all day long and twice on Sundays, and just get on with my life. In my truck. Doing 83 mph in a 75.
 
AZGrizFan said:
grizindabox said:
The level of risk isn't even comparable. There are laws, like speed limits, wearing seat belts, and for driving impaired, that are intended to reduce risk along with numerous other items. For Covid, we have some mandates to wear masks and socially distance. Not sure how you can compare level of risk with differences like that. Also, I wonder what the numbers are of people 70+ that die in car accidents compared to Covid this year....

And just like COVID, if we made the auto laws even MORE draconian (cut all speed limits to 30, more stringent personal safety features, required breathalyzer installed on every vehicle, no driving after midnight, etc., etc.) we could get those deaths down even further. We could mitigate that risk down to almost zero. But Americans have settled on about 45,000 deaths a year as “acceptable” risk.

What’s the level of risk you’re willing to accept for COVID? Because right now, even if you catch it, you have a 99.4% chance of surviving.

Personally, I’ll take those odds all day long and twice on Sundays, and just get on with my life. In my truck. Doing 83 mph in a 75.

163,505 deaths in US.
 
mcg said:
AZGrizFan said:
And just like COVID, if we made the auto laws even MORE draconian (cut all speed limits to 30, more stringent personal safety features, required breathalyzer installed on every vehicle, no driving after midnight, etc., etc.) we could get those deaths down even further. We could mitigate that risk down to almost zero. But Americans have settled on about 45,000 deaths a year as “acceptable” risk.

What’s the level of risk you’re willing to accept for COVID? Because right now, even if you catch it, you have a 99.4% chance of surviving.

Personally, I’ll take those odds all day long and twice on Sundays, and just get on with my life. In my truck. Doing 83 mph in a 75.

163,505 deaths in US.

And how many of those had no underlying conditions or weren’t over the age of 70? Honest question, not being facetious.
 
AZGrizFan said:
grizindabox said:
The level of risk isn't even comparable. There are laws, like speed limits, wearing seat belts, and for driving impaired, that are intended to reduce risk along with numerous other items. For Covid, we have some mandates to wear masks and socially distance. Not sure how you can compare level of risk with differences like that. Also, I wonder what the numbers are of people 70+ that die in car accidents compared to Covid this year....

And just like COVID, if we made the auto laws even MORE draconian (cut all speed limits to 30, more stringent personal safety features, required breathalyzer installed on every vehicle, no driving after midnight, etc., etc.) we could get those deaths down even further. We could mitigate that risk down to almost zero. But Americans have settled on about 45,000 deaths a year as “acceptable” risk.

To be honest, if they treated driving like Covid, there would be no auto laws, just some mandates that most would ignore, complaining about infringement of their Constitutional rights, and the deaths from traffic accidents would soar.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Personally, I’ll take those odds all day long and twice on Sundays, and just get on with my life. In my truck. Doing 83 mph in a 75.
84 in an 80 here in my Ram catches no attention and with the level of traffic on MT interstates, the risk is acceptable and it's fast enough. But I'm over 70 and don't want to catch COVID. I will miss the Griz games and the tailgates, SanFanzoola not so much, but I'm fine with waiting until it's safer and cost effective for the AD. Most important is getting kids back in K-12 in a couple weeks; that risk looks as acceptable here as pushing the speed limit.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Yukon said:

It is great when people have to add qualifiers to justify death due to lack of action.

Not justifying any deaths. I’m saying the numbers are vastly inflated or just a plain lie. If you’d believe me, I’d tell you a story that proves that agencies are purposely over inflating their COVID numbers. Wether it be for monetary reasons or just for shock purpose to the American people, I can’t say. I’m sure this isn’t the only place it’s happening though. I’m sure there’s similar stories across the country.
 
How many college players try to land in this league from P5 conferences or other schools? Sammy Akem?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29638025/spring-league-become-first-utilize-bubble-concept-football-six-team-october-tournament-las-vegas
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
AZGrizFan said:
And just like COVID, if we made the auto laws even MORE draconian (cut all speed limits to 30, more stringent personal safety features, required breathalyzer installed on every vehicle, no driving after midnight, etc., etc.) we could get those deaths down even further. We could mitigate that risk down to almost zero. But Americans have settled on about 45,000 deaths a year as “acceptable” risk.

To be honest, if they treated driving like Covid, there would be no auto laws, just some mandates that most would ignore, complaining about infringement of their Constitutional rights, and the deaths from traffic accidents would soar.

That's not true. There were/are laws requiring lock-downs, and there was/is enforcement. Orders to close, fines, possible loss of licenses including liquor licenses. There are laws requiring masks, and enforcement. Again, fines. There are laws requiring self-quarantines. In NY, if people required to self-quarantine, i.e. those coming from many states including MT, don't follow the law, there are fines up to $10,000. There are laws and regulations applying to elder care homes.

The comparison between the risks of traffic deaths and virus deaths are actually quiet analogous.
 
AZGrizFan said:
grizindabox said:
The level of risk isn't even comparable. There are laws, like speed limits, wearing seat belts, and for driving impaired, that are intended to reduce risk along with numerous other items. For Covid, we have some mandates to wear masks and socially distance. Not sure how you can compare level of risk with differences like that. Also, I wonder what the numbers are of people 70+ that die in car accidents compared to Covid this year....

And just like COVID, if we made the auto laws even MORE draconian (cut all speed limits to 30, more stringent personal safety features, required breathalyzer installed on every vehicle, no driving after midnight, etc., etc.) we could get those deaths down even further. We could mitigate that risk down to almost zero. But Americans have settled on about 45,000 deaths a year as “acceptable” risk.

What’s the level of risk you’re willing to accept for COVID? Because right now, even if you catch it, you have a 99.4% chance of surviving.

Personally, I’ll take those odds all day long and twice on Sundays, and just get on with my life. In my truck. Doing 83 mph in a 75.

I literally said this same thing months ago, almost verbatim. I was told I was using crazy examples to prove my point. We literally could do everything you suggested and more and get auto deaths down to nothing. But those crazy examples.

Though forcing business closures is par for the course. Or like our genius school board decided last night, have kids go to school 2 days a week until it’s “safer”. Who cares that we don’t have a single person in the hospital? Or that we’ve had a million tourists flooding our town all summer. Or that we have 15,000 college students coming this week.

How people can even try to pretend these “precautions” make sense is beyond me. Like wearing my mask from the door to my table at a restaurant before taking it off for hours to give the appearance of safety.... :lol:
 
If you're worried about getting killed in a car crash, don't drive. If you're worried about getting syphilis, don't sleep with hookers. If you're worried about catching covid, stay the f*ck home. Either way, just let the rest of us get on with our lives!
 
Griz2k said:
If you're worried about getting killed in a car crash, don't drive. If you're worried about getting syphilis, don't sleep with hookers. If you're worried about catching covid, stay the f*ck home. Either way, just let the rest of us get on with our lives!

Poor 2K.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Griz2k said:
If you're worried about getting killed in a car crash, don't drive. If you're worried about getting syphilis, don't sleep with hookers. If you're worried about catching covid, stay the f*ck home. Either way, just let the rest of us get on with our lives!

Poor 2K.

Nothing poor here. Just refuse to live in fear like many others who just think we need to cancel everything.
 
Griz2k said:
If you're worried about getting killed in a car crash, don't drive. If you're worried about getting syphilis, don't sleep with hookers. If you're worried about catching covid, stay the f*ck home. Either way, just let the rest of us get on with our lives!

If I can’t sleep with hookers without the fear of getting syphilis, what has this all been for? I have rights!
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Griz2k said:
Nothing poor here. Just refuse to live in fear like many others who just think we need to cancel everything.

Are people living in fear or are they trying to do their part?

For the most part, living in fear, and being influenced by the narrative of some of the mainstream media and some anti-Trump people.

"Has there been in recent history a more tendentious, hysterical, data-denying and frankly disreputable exercise in misdirection than the way in which much of America’s media has covered the Covid-19 epidemic?

Perhaps we can forgive them the endless repetition of pandemic porn; the selectively culled stories of tragedy about otherwise completely healthy young people succumbing to the virus. While we know that the chances of someone under 30 being killed by Covid are very slim, we know too that news judgments have always favored the exceptional and horrific over the routine and unremarkable.

Even less forgivable is the naked, politically motivated selective use and manipulation of data to damage Republicans and favor Democrats. Typical of this is the steady stream of stories telling us what a great job New York and other (Democrat-controlled) Northeastern states have been doing in managing the spread of the virus, in contrast with the performance of other (Republican-led) states.

This is, literally, the opposite of the reality. You probably don’t need reminding that New York continues to enjoy the dubious record of one of the highest death rates of any region in the entire world."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/untangling-the-media-myths-of-covid-19-11597099357?mod=opinion_lead_pos9
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
Griz2k said:
Nothing poor here. Just refuse to live in fear like many others who just think we need to cancel everything.

Are people living in fear or are they trying to do their part?

They’re thinking they’re doing their part while they’re living in fear.
 
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