uofmman1122 said:
ilovethecats said:
Hey, I've ALWAYS gotten it! No doubt lockdowns and closures work. Hell, I'd close down schools for two years just to be safe. Kids will be fine! Shut down all businesses and restaurants again for sure. And especially bars, they are the most dangerous. Don't worry about the economy, it will be fine. Hopefully they just keep sending people money for a couple more years. No way that will lead to anything bad.
And masks. MASKS! I don't know how long we'll be asked to wear them, but whatever it is....it's not enough. Obviously if every person wore them every day for the rest of their lives that'd be ideal. I don't know if that's realistic though. But I do think we should wear them for at least 5 years just to be safe.
I'd put a 3-5 year ban on all sports, music and any form of entertainment too. Just to be safe. Did you know that over 50 people have died in Montana from this virus in the last 5 months?! Is that really something we can tolerate. If I'm not mistaken it's the leading cause of death in the state since March. It HAS to be right?!
Let's lock it down! Be safe!
We only needed a 2-month lockdown back in March, but people like you advocated for "getting things open and back to spending money as soon as possible" before we had adequately handled the virus, the irony being that we'd already be open and spending money
now if we had taken it seriously.
We're looking at probably another 6-12 months of being internationally isolated and dealing with Covid, while most of the rest of the world starts to go back to normal.
Hey, but at least you get to make all the sarcastic hyperbolic posts you want for the foreseeable future. :thumb:
I don't agree with much of your post. It's more complicated than that.
I don't think Cats or anyone else on the board advocated completely opening everything, or opening without following the guidelines. In point of fact, many states opened up without following the administration's guidelines. Probably a mistake. Don't think anyone suggested or anticipated that the younger crowd, or some it, would go wild in the bars, at the lakes and on beaches, and at parties. That was a mistake, which probably should have been anticipated. I didn't see any leaders, or scientists, or governments speaking up and warning ahead of time.
My view is that overly strict lockdowns caused pent up demand among kids and adults, and that's why so many people went out on Memorial Weekend and to beaches. I blame some of that on the leaders who overly locked down.
I'm not aware that any said to forget social distancing, but some did.
The damage to economy during the lockdown was minus $2.2 trillion. That's incredible huge. Hope it doesn't continue.
Most of the deaths have been in the bigger Northeastern states, as well as Ill, Michigan and PA (about 85,000), and in elder homes. Subtract out that say 110,000 deaths and the rest of the country looks better, even the Sunbelt states.
NYC isn't even fully open now. Don't think indoor dining or bars. Not museums or Broadway. Building and businesses can open, but no one is coming to one. I think I read that only 10% in some buildings in Manhattan. Not many using public transportation.
As for international, many countries are going to have to open up to the US for economic reasons.
See this recent Wa Post article on the Amalfi Coast in Italy.
"With American tourists banned from Italy, Amalfi Coast workers are sliding into poverty"
"Americans are by far the most important nationality for the area, according to regional government data, accounting for 25 percent of the total visitors to the province of Salerno, home to the Amalfi Coast. More than 40 percent of the people who last year checked into five-star Amalfi hotels were from the United States.
"That will depend to a large extent on how quickly the United States can bring the virus under control and persuade Europe to let Americans visit once again.
In some tourist-dependent parts of Italy, domestic travelers have made up for some of the losses. But the Amalfi Coast, which grew over the decades into a vacation empire, depends on people coming from far away — people splurging on once-in-a-lifetime trips, or those with the money to come every summer. In a normal year, foreigners outnumber Italians almost six to one.
In June, with Europeans again able to travel between countries on the continent, tourism in the province was nonetheless down 80 percent. The Amalfi Coast now fills up on weekends but has a sleepier, neighborhood feel otherwise."
[My family was booked to the Amalfi Coast in June for a few days. An airbnb (see link), not a 5-star hotel.]
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/19649048?location=Amalfi%20Coast%2C%20Italy&poi_place_id=924407&source_impression_id=p3_1580755148_6L5IKe7repf4AbaH&check_in=2020-06-14&check_out=2020-06-17&guests=3&adults=3
