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Herder Ranks Griz 3 in Chances of Winning Next National Title

BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
alabamagrizzly said:
retiredpopo said:
Ditto. Why the heck would you not want that? I bet every coach and player would.

PR cares, he just likes poking Everett with a stick.

You made me chuckle. Suppose there may be something to your observation. Good point about coaches' incentives in contracts. Of course, players and coaches care. But I, as a fan, really don't, in part because the schedules are not symmetrical. Two divisions and a conference championship isn't practical and doesn't do anything for me either. On the other hand, I'm fine with any fan still caring about conference championships and complaining about the current system. For me, nothing can be done about it, so I'm not going to spend time complaining or worrying about it.

But something can be done about it...you have the perfect examples right in front of us working every season in the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.....it would literally be the easiest thing to figure out. Shit there wouldnt even be any "figuring out" to do. The template is made and proven...all we would have to do is freaking copy paste.
Bloody naïve; you need to do a little homework when you compare an FCS conference to the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.
 
EverettGriz said:
Well, obviously it could easily be accomplished by dropping one noncon game, as bsc basketball has done.

But that's somewhat akin to trying to put on a condom while in the delivery room. The bsc f***[*] up when they added multiple programs who have no business being in the conference, and with no plan on how to operate a fair, equitable and sensible league after doing so. But, of course, this being the bsc, I guess they're still at even par.

Of course, the best solution is to jettison programs from the conference. But, well, #bsc....

So I take you now admit that you agree with me?
 
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
Well, obviously it could easily be accomplished by dropping one noncon game, as bsc basketball has done.

But that's somewhat akin to trying to put on a condom while in the delivery room. The bsc f***[*] up when they added multiple programs who have no business being in the conference, and with no plan on how to operate a fair, equitable and sensible league after doing so. But, of course, this being the bsc, I guess they're still at even par.

Of course, the best solution is to jettison programs from the conference. But, well, #bsc....

So I take you now admit that you agree with me?

Uhhhh, if you believe that the bsc fucked up, admitted far too many teams who don't belong in the conference, gave absolutely no thought as to how to run the league when those worthless teams entered it, and that until they jettison those teams the league is crock, then sure!!! We agree!!! Way to go pr!
 
EverettGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
Well, obviously it could easily be accomplished by dropping one noncon game, as bsc basketball has done.

But that's somewhat akin to trying to put on a condom while in the delivery room. The bsc f***[*] up when they added multiple programs who have no business being in the conference, and with no plan on how to operate a fair, equitable and sensible league after doing so. But, of course, this being the bsc, I guess they're still at even par.

Of course, the best solution is to jettison programs from the conference. But, well, #bsc....

So I take you now admit that you agree with me?

Uhhhh, if you believe that the bsc f***[*] up, admitted far too many teams who don't belong in the conference, gave absolutely no thought as to how to run the league when those worthless teams entered it, and that until they jettison those teams the league is crock, then sure!!! We agree!!! Way to go pr!

The question is what can be done now, not whether the conference made mistakes previously.

You really are an idiot sometimes. Like your answer to the question of what should one do if one has been stopped while driving and after drinking. One should not drink and drive was your response. As I said, you are truly an idiot.

I knew you didn't know anything the conference could do now to solve the problem you are so concerned about. You never have any solutions. You just complain about what you think is wrong now, or was done wrong before.

You are a joke with the conference and with at least some of the UM athletic department. I once heard someone describe you as someone without an athletic bone in your body, even though you desparately wanted to be part of the athletic in-crowd.

Do you think the conference can just throw teams out of the conference? Do you think that there aren't agreements and contrcts>?
 
Uhhhh, I outlined perfectly what the conference could do. Meanwhile, you're still busy digging....

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EverettGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
EverettGriz said:
Uhhhh, I outlined perfectly what the conference could do. Meanwhile, you're still busy digging....

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Nope, you didn't outline what the conference could do.

Uhhh, okay then, whatever makes you "right" pr.




:?

Let's see your outline of what the conference could do. Put up, or shut up.
 
When you're sober, read my posts above. You'll find it neatly outlined.

Oh. And two Advil and a large glass of water. :thumb:
 
EverettGriz said:
When you're sober, read my posts above. You'll find it neatly outlined.

Oh. And two Advil and a large glass of water. :thumb:

Feel free to post what you want us to see here. Nothing you said earlier is remotely coherent. I've come to learn that posters who keep responding by saying look at what they posted earlier, are usually saying that they don't have a response.

I went to the hoops game last night. Didn't drink anything. Saw a lot of people including the likes of Paoli, and Bobby and Stacey. Talked about winter condo and some of the new guys, and. SDS. Had a text from BH this morning, saying he was lifting with the guys. How about you? Did you call the Big Sky office and tell them that that their predecessors and conference presidents should never have expanded the conference?
 
kemajic said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
alabamagrizzly said:
PR cares, he just likes poking Everett with a stick.

You made me chuckle. Suppose there may be something to your observation. Good point about coaches' incentives in contracts. Of course, players and coaches care. But I, as a fan, really don't, in part because the schedules are not symmetrical. Two divisions and a conference championship isn't practical and doesn't do anything for me either. On the other hand, I'm fine with any fan still caring about conference championships and complaining about the current system. For me, nothing can be done about it, so I'm not going to spend time complaining or worrying about it.

But something can be done about it...you have the perfect examples right in front of us working every season in the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.....it would literally be the easiest thing to figure out. Shit there wouldnt even be any "figuring out" to do. The template is made and proven...all we would have to do is freaking copy paste.
Bloody naïve; you need to do a little homework when you compare an FCS conference to the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.

No, as far as how they split the conference up, that can be done easily at any level, high school on up.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
kemajic said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
You made me chuckle. Suppose there may be something to your observation. Good point about coaches' incentives in contracts. Of course, players and coaches care. But I, as a fan, really don't, in part because the schedules are not symmetrical. Two divisions and a conference championship isn't practical and doesn't do anything for me either. On the other hand, I'm fine with any fan still caring about conference championships and complaining about the current system. For me, nothing can be done about it, so I'm not going to spend time complaining or worrying about it.

But something can be done about it...you have the perfect examples right in front of us working every season in the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.....it would literally be the easiest thing to figure out. Shit there wouldnt even be any "figuring out" to do. The template is made and proven...all we would have to do is freaking copy paste.
Bloody naïve; you need to do a little homework when you compare an FCS conference to the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.

No, as far as how they split the conference up, that can be done easily at any level, high school on up.

The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.
 
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
kemajic said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
But something can be done about it...you have the perfect examples right in front of us working every season in the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.....it would literally be the easiest thing to figure out. Shit there wouldnt even be any "figuring out" to do. The template is made and proven...all we would have to do is freaking copy paste.
Bloody naïve; you need to do a little homework when you compare an FCS conference to the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.

No, as far as how they split the conference up, that can be done easily at any level, high school on up.

The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.

How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
kemajic said:
Bloody naïve; you need to do a little homework when you compare an FCS conference to the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.

No, as far as how they split the conference up, that can be done easily at any level, high school on up.

The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.

How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?

Guess you don't realize that FCS does not play a 12 game season every year... A standard provision of NCAA bylaws allows for 12 regular season games during years having 14 Saturdays in the period starting with the Labor Day (first Monday in September) weekend and ending with the last Saturday of November.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
kemajic said:
Bloody naïve; you need to do a little homework when you compare an FCS conference to the Pac 12 and Big 10 and SEC.

No, as far as how they split the conference up, that can be done easily at any level, high school on up.

The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.

How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?

This is why it doesn't work:

The problem is the ncaa limitation on number of games and period when games can be played, as
well as playoff schedule.

Even if changed, other teams would either have season end a week earlier or a bye week the week before Thanksgiving. Or play one less game and lose revenue.

Why would 2 playoff teams, ie top 2 in conference, want to play another game a week before Thanksgiving?

Why would other conferences want to change season and-or playoff schedule for the Big Sky?

What team would you add? Some people are complaining about some of the teams the conference has.

Would you then do just a 6-game conference schedule? Is that a good idea? To me, that's worse than what we have now.

Don't think it works to schedule games a week before the last weekend, as none the schools would prepared, charters not set up, and attendance would likely be awful.
 
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
No, as far as how they split the conference up, that can be done easily at any level, high school on up.

The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.

How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?

This is why it doesn't work:

The problem is the ncaa limitation on number of games and period when games can be played, as
well as playoff schedule. But what Im proposing would be the same number of games and during the same time period?

Even if changed, other teams would either have season end a week earlier or a bye week the week before Thanksgiving. Or play one less game and lose revenue. they wouldnt because it would be the same amount of games we have now, and during the same weeks we play now. Nothing time and date wise would have to change.

Why would 2 playoff teams, ie top 2 in conference, want to play another game a week before Thanksgiving? To be conference champions, it would again be the same schedule we have now

Why would other conferences want to change season and-or playoff schedule for the Big Sky? they wouldnt, because again, the schedule and dates games are played would not change as what it currently is

What team would you add? Some people are complaining about some of the teams the conference has. I would also be open for subtracting, I agree that the BSC is too big, unbalanced schedule is shit

Would you then do just a 6-game conference schedule? Is that a good idea? To me, that's worse than what we have now. the solution to this would be you could either play teams from the other "division" or schedule whoever you want OOC, what does the Big Ten do?

Don't think it works to schedule games a week before the last weekend, as none the schools would prepared, charters not set up, and attendance would likely be awful. this is one issue I agree could be difficult. But many schools around the BSC have shit attendances anyhow. Im sure that final game, unless it was the championship game, would be similar to the 1st round playoff games attendance now.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.

How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?

This is why it doesn't work:

The problem is the ncaa limitation on number of games and period when games can be played, as
well as playoff schedule. But what Im proposing would be the same number of games and during the same time period?

Even if changed, other teams would either have season end a week earlier or a bye week the week before Thanksgiving. Or play one less game and lose revenue. they wouldnt because it would be the same amount of games we have now, and during the same weeks we play now. Nothing time and date wise would have to change.

Why would 2 playoff teams, ie top 2 in conference, want to play another game a week before Thanksgiving? To be conference champions, it would again be the same schedule we have now

Why would other conferences want to change season and-or playoff schedule for the Big Sky? they wouldnt, because again, the schedule and dates games are played would not change as what it currently is

What team would you add? Some people are complaining about some of the teams the conference has. I would also be open for subtracting, I agree that the BSC is too big, unbalanced schedule is shit

Would you then do just a 6-game conference schedule? Is that a good idea? To me, that's worse than what we have now. the solution to this would be you could either play teams from the other "division" or schedule whoever you want OOC, what does the Big Ten do?

Don't think it works to schedule games a week before the last weekend, as none the schools would prepared, charters not set up, and attendance would likely be awful. this is one issue I agree could be difficult. But many schools around the BSC have shit attendances anyhow. Im sure that final game, unless it was the championship game, would be similar to the 1st round playoff games attendance now.


"Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start. "

That is the part where the problem lies the way I understand it. None of the teams can play a 12th game the way the rules currently sit. So either every team in the conference could only play ten games and the two division champs get the 11th game, which no team will want to do as they lose potential revenue. The NCAA currently hs ait so that if you play the 12th game as a championship it counts as postseason play and leaves you ineligible for the playoffs.
 
RayWill said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?

This is why it doesn't work:

The problem is the ncaa limitation on number of games and period when games can be played, as
well as playoff schedule. But what Im proposing would be the same number of games and during the same time period?

Even if changed, other teams would either have season end a week earlier or a bye week the week before Thanksgiving. Or play one less game and lose revenue. they wouldnt because it would be the same amount of games we have now, and during the same weeks we play now. Nothing time and date wise would have to change.

Why would 2 playoff teams, ie top 2 in conference, want to play another game a week before Thanksgiving? To be conference champions, it would again be the same schedule we have now

Why would other conferences want to change season and-or playoff schedule for the Big Sky? they wouldnt, because again, the schedule and dates games are played would not change as what it currently is

What team would you add? Some people are complaining about some of the teams the conference has. I would also be open for subtracting, I agree that the BSC is too big, unbalanced schedule is shit

Would you then do just a 6-game conference schedule? Is that a good idea? To me, that's worse than what we have now. the solution to this would be you could either play teams from the other "division" or schedule whoever you want OOC, what does the Big Ten do?

Don't think it works to schedule games a week before the last weekend, as none the schools would prepared, charters not set up, and attendance would likely be awful. this is one issue I agree could be difficult. But many schools around the BSC have shit attendances anyhow. Im sure that final game, unless it was the championship game, would be similar to the 1st round playoff games attendance now.


"Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start. "

That is the part where the problem lies the way I understand it. None of the teams can play a 12th game the way the rules currently sit. So either every team in the conference could only play ten games and the two division champs get the 11th game, which no team will want to do as they lose potential revenue. The NCAA currently hs ait so that if you play the 12th game as a championship it counts as postseason play and leaves you ineligible for the playoffs.

You know what to do with rules? Throw them out.

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BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
PlayerRep said:
The problem isn't splitting conference. It's having enough time, within the NCAA rules, to play the games. A conf championship doesn't fit or work with the playoffs either.

How? we currently have 13 teams, say we add a 14th.

7 teams in the "north" division 7 teams in the "south" division.

All the teams in the north play each other...thats 6 games, you get 5 out of division games. Those could be with other big sky conference teams, or say MVFC teams whoever you choose. Thats 11 games.

Than the team from the "north" and teams from the "south" with the best records, play each other in the "conference championship" for the 12th and final regular season game. Then the playoffs start.

And for the teams that arent playing in the conference championship, their 12th game can go by final standings. so say 3v4...5v6...7v8...9v10...11v12...13v14


How does that not work?

This is why it doesn't work:

The problem is the ncaa limitation on number of games and period when games can be played, as
well as playoff schedule. But what Im proposing would be the same number of games and during the same time period?

Even if changed, other teams would either have season end a week earlier or a bye week the week before Thanksgiving. Or play one less game and lose revenue. they wouldnt because it would be the same amount of games we have now, and during the same weeks we play now. Nothing time and date wise would have to change.

Why would 2 playoff teams, ie top 2 in conference, want to play another game a week before Thanksgiving? To be conference champions, it would again be the same schedule we have now

Why would other conferences want to change season and-or playoff schedule for the Big Sky? they wouldnt, because again, the schedule and dates games are played would not change as what it currently is

What team would you add? Some people are complaining about some of the teams the conference has. I would also be open for subtracting, I agree that the BSC is too big, unbalanced schedule is shit

Would you then do just a 6-game conference schedule? Is that a good idea? To me, that's worse than what we have now. the solution to this would be you could either play teams from the other "division" or schedule whoever you want OOC, what does the Big Ten do?

Don't think it works to schedule games a week before the last weekend, as none the schools would prepared, charters not set up, and attendance would likely be awful. this is one issue I agree could be difficult. But many schools around the BSC have shit attendances anyhow. Im sure that final game, unless it was the championship game, would be similar to the 1st round playoff games attendance now.

Good and clear response. To me, with your proposal, I see the 2 biggest impediments/questions being the last point, which you and I agree on, as well as wondering if the 2 top teams really want to have a big conference championship game as they head into the playoffs. That may not be a problem, or big problem.

I would think the last championship weekend would be a significant financial impediment. Fans wouldn't know who they'd be playing and where, until the prior weekend. Increased cost of travel, probably. Low attendance due to it being so late in the season, not being able to plan ahead, and who wants to go to a game between the worst teams in the divisions in mid November.

While I don't think this will ever happen, it's not impossible. Thanks for the response.
 
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