PlayerRep said:
SaskGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
Your "data" is incorrect. Filled with mistakes.
You think losing an all-conference punter for the season isn't missing a starter for more than one game?
You think that the injuries at Oregon weren't significant?
You don't think losing the starting qb in 3 of the 7 games isn't significant?
You don't think Ah Yat's injury, which impacted him for the rest of the season, wasn't significant?
Feel free to show any UM game in the last 25 years where there were more injuries than Oregon.
Like I said, you don't know what you're talking about. Clearly, you don't understand the game.
No my data is not incorrect and no it is not full of mistakes. I will try to clarify it further.
Your assertion is that playing FBS teams leads to more injuries. Therefore I looked at sample size of 5 games and it appears it hasn't led to more injuries than any other 5 randomly selected games. You have to show that these five games lead to more injuries. Not that one game against Oregon had a lot of injuries, that would only prove your point if your assertion had been playing Oregon leads to more injuries.
You are confusing the definitions of significance - being worthy of note or important with significance; the extent to which a result deviates from the norm. Of course an injury to an all-conference punter is important but a single injury does not deviate from the norm.
Is losing your starting QB in a game against Iowa more significant than losing your starting QB against Savanah State? Neither one is more significant in either definition of significance.
Sorry, but your data was wrong for all or most of the games. You either made mistakes or just lied.
Feel free to pull your data into one thread, and I I will show you where it was wrong.
Losing 3 qb’s in your 5 games is huge. UM doesn’t lose qb’s in 60% of its games. Do you not understand percentages? Do you not understand that getting your all-American QB who took you to the national championship hurt, is a big deal, when the AD and coach say it may have cost a national championship is strong evidence?
It’s hard to argue with someone like you who insists that up is really down, and east is really west.
I’m sorry but your stats combined with mine, clearly show that I, and others in this thread, are right.
Here is the break down, these are not mistakes. Anybody can look at the stats and check these.
I looked at the last 5 Play-Up games; UW(2017), Wyoming(2014), Tennessee(2011) Iowa (2006) and Oregon (2005)
I looked at who played in the play-up game and then whether they played in the next game and then whether they played in the game after that.
UW - David Shaw missed the blow out over Savannah State but played the week after.
Shane Moody appeared in neither of the next two games, don't know if that was injury or he fell out of favour.
Wyoming- Ben Weyer, Jordan Johnson, John Nguyen all missed the game against Central Washington but were back for South Dakota. Caleb Kidder appeared in neither of the next two games.
Tennessee - Matt Hermanson missed the next game against Cal Poly. Brett Kirschner, Bryce Carver, and Chris Bradford appeared in neither of the next two games. None of these four players were starters.
Iowa - Josh Swogger, David Haile, and Dan Carter missed the next game against SDSU but were back for Sac State (Swogger went 14-18, 221, 3TDS). Tyson Johnson and Chris Dyk did not appear in either of the next two games.
Oregon -10 players missed the next game; nine reserves and one starter (Loren Utterbeck), all of them played again that season with the exception of Jake McCarthy. 3 played after missing only one game (Karl Pitcher, Eric Michel and Peter Sloan)
Once again we were undefeated in the week after we played all five play up games. And just to add more basis we won the week after we played Wyoming back in 1997.
I don't know where you are getting this losing 3 out of 5 QB's. We only lost 2 (Swoggers and Johnson) and both only for one game. If you are going all the way back to Ah Yat against Wyoming, he played the next week and threw for 3 TD's. Even if you did count him it would be 3/6 which is 50% What was your line "do you understand percentages?"
As to your comment about the AD and coach saying it MAY have cost us a national championship, let's try to keep this to things that DID happen rather than things that MIGHT have happened.
In that vein can we also stay away from personal insults/attacks? We can disagree without questioning the other persons truthfulness, intelligence, or knowledge. Show me where my facts are wrong, don't move the goal posts. You asserted that we suffer MORE injuries in play up games, you must then show your STATS that MORE players get hurt in these games. Not your opinions, not anybody else's opinions, actual stats.