SaskGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
SaskGriz said:
Okay, I only looked at the last 4 Play-Up games; UW(2017), Wyoming(2014), Tennessee(2011) and Iowa(2006).
I looked at who played in the play-up game and then whether they played in the next game and then whether they played in the game after that.
UW - David Shaw missed the blow out over Savannah State but played the week after.
Shane Moody appeared in neither of the next two games, don't know if that was injury or he fell out of favour.
Wyoming- Ben Weyer, Jordan Johnson, John Nguyen all missed the game against Central Washington but were back for South Dakota. Caleb Kidder appeared in neither of the next two games.
Tennessee - Matt Hermanson missed the next game against Cal Poly. Brett Kirschner, Bryce Carver, and Chris Bradford appeared in neither of the next two games. None of these four players were starters.
Iowa - Josh Swogger, David Haile, and Dan Carter missed the next game against SDSU but were back for Sac State (Swogger went 14-18, 221, 3TDS). Tyson Johnson and Chris Dyk did not appear in either of the next two games.
I realise that this doesn't mean that players didn't play hurt. To figure out if this is more or less than injury levels in FCS or play down games would take more effort/time than I can currently give. It seems to me that these levels of injury do not seem particularily high or out of proportion to any given Saturday.
This level of injury is very high.
This proves my point. Look at Wyo. in 1997, That will further prove the point. Also, give us the report on the Oregon game. This further proves my point.
Tyson Johnson tore his ACL at Iowa and didn't play the rest of the season.
I don't think this does prove your point. What do you mean that this level of injury is very high? What are you comparing it to? In the three games I checked where I could find the starters; we lost no starter for more than one game. In the Iowa game I was unable to determine who started and who didn't but I'm prepared to accept that losing your punter, Tyson Johnson is unfortunate. We have lost our punter in four games to a serious injury. I think I could probably pick any four games and find a starter who lost significant time.
Even though I'm not one of your paralegals I went ahead and ran the 2005 Oregon game as you instructed. It is by far the worst of the five play up games for injury. 10 players missed the next game; nine reserves and one starter (Loren Utterbeck), all of them played again that season with the exception of Jake McCarthy. 3 played after missing only one game (Karl Pitcher, Eric Michel and Peter Sloan).
Again in five play up games we lost a punter and one every down player (who later came back to play that year). I can't think that is an unusually high number.
Including the Oregon game, for which I produced an article showing a huge number of injuries, and the 1997 Wyoming game when multiple players were lost, and your 3 games, there were a huge number of injuries. If you can't see that, or think that is normal, then you really have no clue about the game. Sorry, but you just don't.
In the Iowa, you were able to determine that our star transfer QB and preseason all-American punter started? Please. Even just those 2 was a huge loss. Swogger had to wear a glove on his throwing hand for much of the season. Johnson was done for the season. Those were both significant injuries.