kemajic said:You have done nothing to PROVE your point. A lawyer should know what proof constitutes.PlayerRep said:kemajic said:It's a silly scenario, so I have not thought about it. So I don't know.PlayerRep said:It must have been a game with someone other than Wyo. My mistake.
If the current Griz team played in the Pac-12, do you think the Griz would not have anymore injuries than they have playing in the Big Sky?
It's not a silly scenario. It's a question that absolutely proves my point.
grizindabox said:sdk.catfish said:by PlayerRep » Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:56 pm
And 2d teamers playing against 1st teasers is not like playing up against Oregon and Washington in full speed games.
So your saying that the 1st and 2nd teams aren't going full speed in practice? And I was told Hauck was a taskmaster. If that is the case it might explain 6-5. Sure glad you go to practice so that you can tell us these important "facts".
Come on, players never get hurt in practice, especially never in non-contact drills, only when they play up. Montana should quit scheduling FBS teams for the sake of the players health.
PlayerRep said:No one has suggested that UM not play FBS teams. The topic is whether playing up eventually leads to more injuries. Can you really not see the difference?
PlayerRep said:kemajic said:You have done nothing to PROVE your point. A lawyer should know what proof constitutes.PlayerRep said:kemajic said:It's a silly scenario, so I have not thought about it. So I don't know.
It's not a silly scenario. It's a question that absolutely proves my point.
My evidence is that multiple coaches and athletic directors believe that play-up games, especially against top teams, can lead to more injuries, and in fact some have led to more injuries; the injuries at Wyo. including Ah Yat which a UM AD told me may have kept the Griz from getting another national championship; various anecdotal evidence; and my having played 4 years of D-I football.
What's your counter evidence?
Again, do you think the Griz, as presently constituted, would have more injuries if they played a full schedule in the Pac-12? How about if the presently constituted UM played most of its games every year against Alabama or a similar quality team? Same number of injuries?
Spanky2 said:The Griz as presently constituted would not be playing a full schedule in the PAC 12. The Griz would be members of the PAC 12 and have the opportunity to recruit athletes similar in talent to the other members.
Raider said:PlayerRep said:kemajic said:You have done nothing to PROVE your point. A lawyer should know what proof constitutes.PlayerRep said:It's not a silly scenario. It's a question that absolutely proves my point.
My evidence is that multiple coaches and athletic directors believe that play-up games, especially against top teams, can lead to more injuries, and in fact some have led to more injuries; the injuries at Wyo. including Ah Yat which a UM AD told me may have kept the Griz from getting another national championship; various anecdotal evidence; and my having played 4 years of D-I football.
What's your counter evidence?
Again, do you think the Griz, as presently constituted, would have more injuries if they played a full schedule in the Pac-12? How about if the presently constituted UM played most of its games every year against Alabama or a similar quality team? Same number of injuries?
If your “evidence” is talking to coaches, then I would easily provide “evidence” the other way. I have had conversations with college coaches that have the exact opposite opinion. They hate “playing down” for this very reason.
It may be the mentality here (which again is why we are beat before we get off the bus), but you cannot say that thought process is universal amongst all coaches. That is just factually incorrect.
grizindabox said:PlayerRep said:No one has suggested that UM not play FBS teams. The topic is whether playing up eventually leads to more injuries. Can you really not see the difference?
My point was kids can get hurt under any of many circumstances and that I do not agree with your general premise that the chances increase when playing a FBS team.
SoldierGriz said:I think there is some evidence players actually heal up while playing down. Anyone got any anecdotes?
PlayerRep said:kemajic said:You have done nothing to PROVE your point. A lawyer should know what proof constitutes.PlayerRep said:kemajic said:It's a silly scenario, so I have not thought about it. So I don't know.
It's not a silly scenario. It's a question that absolutely proves my point.
My evidence is that multiple coaches and athletic directors believe that play-up games, especially against top teams, can lead to more injuries, and in fact some have led to more injuries; the injuries at Wyo. including Ah Yat which a UM AD told me may have kept the Griz from getting another national championship; various anecdotal evidence; and my having played 4 years of D-I football.
What's your counter evidence?
Again, do you think the Griz, as presently constituted, would have more injuries if they played a full schedule in the Pac-12? How about if the presently constituted UM played most of its games every year against Alabama or a similar quality team? Same number of injuries?
PlayerRep said:Raider said:PlayerRep said:kemajic said:You have done nothing to PROVE your point. A lawyer should know what proof constitutes.
My evidence is that multiple coaches and athletic directors believe that play-up games, especially against top teams, can lead to more injuries, and in fact some have led to more injuries; the injuries at Wyo. including Ah Yat which a UM AD told me may have kept the Griz from getting another national championship; various anecdotal evidence; and my having played 4 years of D-I football.
What's your counter evidence?
Again, do you think the Griz, as presently constituted, would have more injuries if they played a full schedule in the Pac-12? How about if the presently constituted UM played most of its games every year against Alabama or a similar quality team? Same number of injuries?
If your “evidence” is talking to coaches, then I would easily provide “evidence” the other way. I have had conversations with college coaches that have the exact opposite opinion. They hate “playing down” for this very reason.
It may be the mentality here (which again is why we are beat before we get off the bus), but you cannot say that thought process is universal amongst all coaches. That is just factually incorrect.
I call BS on most of your post. Also, UM playing up, is not the same as UM playing down. I truly can't believe how hard it is for some of you to focus on what is being discussed. Correct, I am not saying all coaches feel the same. I'm mainly talking about Griz coaches.
PlayerRep said:You are welcome to your own opinion, and you are welcome to be wrong. You don't think Ah Yat's injury against Wyo. hurt UM that year?
Raider said:PlayerRep said:Raider said:PlayerRep said:My evidence is that multiple coaches and athletic directors believe that play-up games, especially against top teams, can lead to more injuries, and in fact some have led to more injuries; the injuries at Wyo. including Ah Yat which a UM AD told me may have kept the Griz from getting another national championship; various anecdotal evidence; and my having played 4 years of D-I football.
What's your counter evidence?
Again, do you think the Griz, as presently constituted, would have more injuries if they played a full schedule in the Pac-12? How about if the presently constituted UM played most of its games every year against Alabama or a similar quality team? Same number of injuries?
If your “evidence” is talking to coaches, then I would easily provide “evidence” the other way. I have had conversations with college coaches that have the exact opposite opinion. They hate “playing down” for this very reason.
It may be the mentality here (which again is why we are beat before we get off the bus), but you cannot say that thought process is universal amongst all coaches. That is just factually incorrect.
I call BS on most of your post. Also, UM playing up, is not the same as UM playing down. I truly can't believe how hard it is for some of you to focus on what is being discussed. Correct, I am not saying all coaches feel the same. I'm mainly talking about Griz coaches.
Call BS all you want. It’s pretty much your MO with anyone that disagrees with you. Could care less.
My conversation was not with a Griz coach, but a defensive coordinator at the FBS level. I’m not surprised that your opinion is based on conversations with Griz coaches, based upon the way these “play up” games have been approached in the past. Again, never seems to be an issue with schools like NDSU and EWU......wonder why that is.......
poorgriz said:Raider said:PlayerRep said:Raider said:If your “evidence” is talking to coaches, then I would easily provide “evidence” the other way. I have had conversations with college coaches that have the exact opposite opinion. They hate “playing down” for this very reason.
It may be the mentality here (which again is why we are beat before we get off the bus), but you cannot say that thought process is universal amongst all coaches. That is just factually incorrect.
I call BS on most of your post. Also, UM playing up, is not the same as UM playing down. I truly can't believe how hard it is for some of you to focus on what is being discussed. Correct, I am not saying all coaches feel the same. I'm mainly talking about Griz coaches.
Call BS all you want. It’s pretty much your MO with anyone that disagrees with you. Could care less.
My conversation was not with a Griz coach, but a defensive coordinator at the FBS level. I’m not surprised that your opinion is based on conversations with Griz coaches, based upon the way these “play up” games have been approached in the past. Again, never seems to be an issue with schools like NDSU and EWU......wonder why that is.......
This. if the griz coaching staff really feels this way they need to recruit bigger, better players or get a better strength program. Pretty sure the MSU coaching staff isn't worried about getting beat up on when we take the field against Texas Tech, at least not any more worried about injuries than any other game. :roll:
getgrizzy said:poorgriz said:Raider said:PlayerRep said:I call BS on most of your post. Also, UM playing up, is not the same as UM playing down. I truly can't believe how hard it is for some of you to focus on what is being discussed. Correct, I am not saying all coaches feel the same. I'm mainly talking about Griz coaches.
Call BS all you want. It’s pretty much your MO with anyone that disagrees with you. Could care less.
My conversation was not with a Griz coach, but a defensive coordinator at the FBS level. I’m not surprised that your opinion is based on conversations with Griz coaches, based upon the way these “play up” games have been approached in the past. Again, never seems to be an issue with schools like NDSU and EWU......wonder why that is.......
This. if the griz coaching staff really feels this way they need to recruit bigger, better players or get a better strength program. Pretty sure the MSU coaching staff isn't worried about getting beat up on when we take the field against Texas Tech, at least not any more worried about injuries than any other game. :roll:
The Griz coaches don’t go into Power 5 games thinking about getting hurt anymore than yours do. It’s just a simple matter of, “over time bigger, stronger players are going to injure smaller, weaker players.” It’s not like every single game or play there’s an injury to a FCS player. Or there’s five FCS injuries to two every game. But over a long period or large number of games injuries will trend this way. It’s self-evident, it’s logic, it’s common sense.