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Who Are The UM Peer Schools?
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US News Rankings --
Best Universities:
Davis tied for 38th
Idaho 165
UM 201
MSU 205
NAU 230
PSU 230
UNC 230
ISU Unranked
CP #1 in Top Public Schools
#12 in Regional Universities West (tie)
Sac St #69 (tie) in Regional Universities West
So Utah 81 (tie) in Regional Universities West
Weber #96-#127 in Regional Universities West
Best Universities:
UW 59
BYU 66
Utah 119
Colorado 96
Colo St. 140
Wash St 140
Wyo 183
Reno 201. UM also 201
Utah St 205
Boise St 230
UNLV 230
Best Universities:
Davis tied for 38th
Idaho 165
UM 201
MSU 205
NAU 230
PSU 230
UNC 230
ISU Unranked
CP #1 in Top Public Schools
#12 in Regional Universities West (tie)
Sac St #69 (tie) in Regional Universities West
So Utah 81 (tie) in Regional Universities West
Weber #96-#127 in Regional Universities West
Best Universities:
UW 59
BYU 66
Utah 119
Colorado 96
Colo St. 140
Wash St 140
Wyo 183
Reno 201. UM also 201
Utah St 205
Boise St 230
UNLV 230
I think evaluating universities is pretty tough. UM has a great journalism school, law school etc.. MSU has great engineering programs etc.. And if we get into actually evaluating colleges in Montana you can't get much better than Montana Tech. Look at the ratings, job placement, costs etc.. and it has nothing to do with enrollment.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/montana-tech-2531
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/montana-tech-2531
There is no answer that would make logical sense. Is Washington State a peer school in the PAC12? Although they occasionally have success in athletics, overall I would think that UCLA, USC, ASU, etc don't consider them a peer school. How about Vanderbilt in the SEC? Academically probably top tier, but athletically - no way.
It's a dumb argument to make because the answer is opinion based. To argue that EWU is not a peer school despite being in the Big Sky for 32 years is subjective at best. Did Idaho perform better when they went with their "peer" schools?
I can make the argument that neither UM nor MSU are peer schools of Montana Tech, which academically is far better than both (or at least once was). Does that make sense? Of course not. We are right where we need to be at this time, and schools like Southern Utah and especially Dixie State, are rapidly growing - and we've seen success from SU in athletics.
If University of Phoenix gets accepted into the Big Sky then people could complain, but for now I'm happy with the Big Sky - and a chance to actually win.
edit: per enrollment UM is 2nd smallest school in Big Sky, so that should be obvious why that is a dumb metric
It's a dumb argument to make because the answer is opinion based. To argue that EWU is not a peer school despite being in the Big Sky for 32 years is subjective at best. Did Idaho perform better when they went with their "peer" schools?
I can make the argument that neither UM nor MSU are peer schools of Montana Tech, which academically is far better than both (or at least once was). Does that make sense? Of course not. We are right where we need to be at this time, and schools like Southern Utah and especially Dixie State, are rapidly growing - and we've seen success from SU in athletics.
If University of Phoenix gets accepted into the Big Sky then people could complain, but for now I'm happy with the Big Sky - and a chance to actually win.
edit: per enrollment UM is 2nd smallest school in Big Sky, so that should be obvious why that is a dumb metric
EverettGriz said:
As a prospective student it wouldn’t matter to me if I was picking a school to attend. Knowing that enrollment was dropping might influence that decision. Will the program I’m looking at get dropped if enrollment continues to drop?
Even though our enrollment is dropping and MSU’s is growing I still consider MSU our peer in many ways.
Enrollment, however, is very important in other ways. It’s not a factor in selection unless I just want to be on a big campus or I just want a more quaint campus.
As far as peers KMD’s link (the one on peers; not enrollment) is about as close as you can get.
Surprised to see MSU campus enrollment is now nearly double of the UM campus. Equally surprising that we’re now under 8,000 on campus.
bigsky33 said:
I thought we cleared this up. No one gives a fuck.
Perhaps this highlights why enrollment doesn't mean shit. msu grads are evidently as dumb as the local drunk in the corner bar: fully incapable of grasping a simple and logical concept, so instead they just keep repeating the same meaningless point, but each time do so in a louder voice, believing that makes them more convincing.
Correct. MSU’s enrollment will begin to drop and ours will stabilize. Enrollment is dropping everywhere. Has been for 4-5 years. It’ll take another big hit in 2025 due to low birth rates from the great recession of 2007-2008. MSU could be back down to 12,000 and UM around 6,000. We’ll still be peers then too.EverettGriz said:
bigsky33 said:
Perhaps he gets it wrong on purpose just to watch people like you get their panties in a twist.
Like msu attendance figures?
ABQCat
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Good stuff from the usual suspects over here. CDA's inverse counter-trolling techniques are in play and doing a good job. PR hasn't completely gone off the rails in his patented 'scorched earth' mode yet, but there's still time. A few posters are dancing around the answer but nobody has actually nailed it yet, which I'll do now. You’re welcome.
The MSU 5-foot-nothing President is staggeringly good at her job, and that is the common link in all the different elements of the dUMb decline and MSU's growth. I recently received a nice summary book highlighting the "What it Takes" capital campaign, and even without blue and gold colored glasses, the overall effectiveness is mind boggling. The effort went public in 2015 with a goal of $300M, and at the time of the recent announcement, MSU had raised $413M (and growing). Every aspect of the University is benefiting from this campaign including students, faculty, research, infrastructure and athletics. Cruzado has set the foundation for MSU to compete on a national stage in every element of the institution for decades to come.
I personally don’t see dUMb coming out of the current mess anytime soon and it will never come out of the current mess without landing its version of Cruzado. Sorry to be the one to deliver this downer over here, but there you go. Enjoy.
The MSU 5-foot-nothing President is staggeringly good at her job, and that is the common link in all the different elements of the dUMb decline and MSU's growth. I recently received a nice summary book highlighting the "What it Takes" capital campaign, and even without blue and gold colored glasses, the overall effectiveness is mind boggling. The effort went public in 2015 with a goal of $300M, and at the time of the recent announcement, MSU had raised $413M (and growing). Every aspect of the University is benefiting from this campaign including students, faculty, research, infrastructure and athletics. Cruzado has set the foundation for MSU to compete on a national stage in every element of the institution for decades to come.
I personally don’t see dUMb coming out of the current mess anytime soon and it will never come out of the current mess without landing its version of Cruzado. Sorry to be the one to deliver this downer over here, but there you go. Enjoy.
Insert eye roll HERE.
It seems like "I hope your university crumbles, debilitating your local economy because I like another university's sports team" is taking the rivalry to an unnecessary extreme, but maybe that's just me.ABQCat said:
Regardless of enrollments, endowments, capital campaigns, foundations, faculty achievements, research, infrastructure, presidents, local economies, growth trends, stock markets, national prestige, fundraising, technological advances, weather, climate, human evolution, etc., one thing will always be true: Bobcats suck.
