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Damian Lillard

Great post - great memories of Herb. Herb's upside potential was something that we were not able to experience. A highlight freekish athletic feat was the The Alley-oop pass that was "slightly late" and "slightly behind him" that Herb turned into a over-the-Head reverse Jam. :shock: :shock:

grizzlyjournal said:
P.S. The guy I thought was going to be as good as Micheal Ray was a freshman, Herb Jones (1984-85), who was killed in a car wreck traveling from Spanaway, Washington to Missoula before his sophomore year started. Herb's freshman season as a Griz was stellar.
 
Proud Griz Man said:
Great post - great memories of Herb. Herb's upside potential was something that we were not able to experience. A highlight freekish athletic feat was the The Alley-oop pass that was "slightly late" and "slightly behind him" that Herb turned into a over-the-Head reverse Jam. :shock: :shock:

grizzlyjournal said:
P.S. The guy I thought was going to be as good as Micheal Ray was a freshman, Herb Jones (1984-85), who was killed in a car wreck traveling from Spanaway, Washington to Missoula before his sophomore year started. Herb's freshman season as a Griz was stellar.

Herb was a great get for the program. About 6'4 or so with extra long arms and could slap the top of a backboard. Always wondered how far he could go as a high jumper with some decent training. Freakish Vertical...It appeared pretty obvious at the time...that Herb's future was destined for serious playing time with the Griz.
 
Proud Griz Man said:
Great post - great memories of Herb. Herb's upside potential was something that we were not able to experience. A highlight freekish athletic feat was the The Alley-oop pass that was "slightly late" and "slightly behind him" that Herb turned into a over-the-Head reverse Jam. :shock: :shock:

grizzlyjournal said:
P.S. The guy I thought was going to be as good as Micheal Ray was a freshman, Herb Jones (1984-85), who was killed in a car wreck traveling from Spanaway, Washington to Missoula before his sophomore year started. Herb's freshman season as a Griz was stellar.

My memory "mind-movie" of that play is still sharp. I was sitting row 2, North bleachers, right under the basket. Ranked very high in the top 5 individual plays of Griz hoops history.
 
grizzlyjournal said:
Proud Griz Man said:
Great post - great memories of Herb. Herb's upside potential was something that we were not able to experience. A highlight freekish athletic feat was the The Alley-oop pass that was "slightly late" and "slightly behind him" that Herb turned into a over-the-Head reverse Jam. :shock: :shock:

grizzlyjournal said:
P.S. The guy I thought was going to be as good as Micheal Ray was a freshman, Herb Jones (1984-85), who was killed in a car wreck traveling from Spanaway, Washington to Missoula before his sophomore year started. Herb's freshman season as a Griz was stellar.

My memory "mind-movie" of that play is still sharp. I was sitting row 2, North bleachers, right under the basket. Ranked very high in the top 5 individual plays of Griz hoops history.

Best jumper in UM history. Even better than Derrick Pope. And he could shoot it from deep, before the advent if the three-point shot. Such a tragedy!
 
mtgrizrule said:
garizzalies said:
You got one thing right: there are two groups. The Dame supporters are smart and the MRR are..... I’m searching for my nicest qualifier......old?
Dame was first team all nba. Let me say it again. First. Team. All. NBA.
Damian Lillard's name was right next to LeBron James, Anthony Davis, James Harden, and Kevin Durant.
You don’t make 1st team being only an offensive player. For gods sake look at the other guards he beat out for that spot—all better than MRR.
Did MRR ever make first team? IDK, but I highly doubt it. If not, I’m sure you old boys know better than whoever picks the 1st team
Uh, Harden plays very little defense. He's also a ball hog. I cannot watch the Houston Hardens because of him. Carry on.

nobody plays defense anymore, and (judging by most posts here) nobody cares. Harden is now considered the "best basketball player in the world" by many people. All ignorant ppl point to is points. I guess I am one of the few that digs deeper into true value. I don't care what Andrew Wiggins PPG (18.1) is but he is one of the worst "complete" basketball players around. I know most of you can't grasp that, but he is a negative contributor to his team, because he is so one-dimensional. Points is only one category.
 
garizzalies said:
Paul George is not better than Lillard. Did you watch the first round? Did you see the last shot? I love how PG tried to say that was a bad shot and DL pointed out how bad his defense was.

And anyone comparing Lillard to a crackhead is..... well, wrong. I’ll just leave it at that.

George 28 ppg, Lillard 26 this year. the original post that I contended said "Lillard was the best player to ever play in Dahlberg....no question." i named 1 guy off the top of my head who out-scored Lillard this year in the NBA, so I win this argument. It's definately arguable...at least. Facts suck,huh?
 
Zirg said:
mtgrizrule said:
garizzalies said:
You got one thing right: there are two groups. The Dame supporters are smart and the MRR are..... I’m searching for my nicest qualifier......old?
Dame was first team all nba. Let me say it again. First. Team. All. NBA.
Damian Lillard's name was right next to LeBron James, Anthony Davis, James Harden, and Kevin Durant.
You don’t make 1st team being only an offensive player. For gods sake look at the other guards he beat out for that spot—all better than MRR.
Did MRR ever make first team? IDK, but I highly doubt it. If not, I’m sure you old boys know better than whoever picks the 1st team
Uh, Harden plays very little defense. He's also a ball hog. I cannot watch the Houston Hardens because of him. Carry on.

nobody plays defense anymore, and (judging by most posts here) nobody cares. Harden is now considered the "best basketball player in the world" by many people. All ignorant ppl point to is points. I guess I am one of the few that digs deeper into true value. I don't care what Andrew Wiggins PPG (18.1) is but he is one of the worst "complete" basketball players around. I know most of you can't grasp that, but he is a negative contributor to his team, because he is so one-dimensional. Points is only one category.

Nobody plays Defense in the NBA? Have you watched Kawhi? George? Klay is a master and just fantastic to watch on D. Check the last 4-or 5 minutes of the Warriors/Rockets game 6 and tell me Klay wasn't masterful. Some may not value D (Russ) but most every Title-Game ready team has a Defensive specialist.
 
PeauxRouge said:
Zirg said:
mtgrizrule said:
garizzalies said:
You got one thing right: there are two groups. The Dame supporters are smart and the MRR are..... I’m searching for my nicest qualifier......old?
Dame was first team all nba. Let me say it again. First. Team. All. NBA.
Damian Lillard's name was right next to LeBron James, Anthony Davis, James Harden, and Kevin Durant.
You don’t make 1st team being only an offensive player. For gods sake look at the other guards he beat out for that spot—all better than MRR.
Did MRR ever make first team? IDK, but I highly doubt it. If not, I’m sure you old boys know better than whoever picks the 1st team
Uh, Harden plays very little defense. He's also a ball hog. I cannot watch the Houston Hardens because of him. Carry on.

nobody plays defense anymore, and (judging by most posts here) nobody cares. Harden is now considered the "best basketball player in the world" by many people. All ignorant ppl point to is points. I guess I am one of the few that digs deeper into true value. I don't care what Andrew Wiggins PPG (18.1) is but he is one of the worst "complete" basketball players around. I know most of you can't grasp that, but he is a negative contributor to his team, because he is so one-dimensional. Points is only one category.

Nobody plays Defense in the NBA? Have you watched Kawhi? George? Klay is a master and just fantastic to watch on D. Check the last 4-or 5 minutes of the Warriors/Rockets game 6 and tell me Klay wasn't masterful. Some may not value D (Russ) but most every Title-Game ready team has a Defensive specialist.

Well, nobody (on this thread) seems to care (or give props) about MRR's incredible defensive stats compared to Lillard. I DO appreciate good defense. I'm happy to hear someone else (finally) talk about defense.
 
Gaeilge1 said:
I haven't weighed in on this debate for a little while, but two things are becoming very clear about whose side one is on. If you are A Damian supporter you are equating offensive prowess with being the best. If you are supporting MRR, you are looking at a number of the statistics to determine who was the best.
The best scorer to come out of the BSC is Damian Lillard, but the best overall basketball player is MRR, who was a much better defender and rebounded than Lillard. To my knowledge, Damian Lillard has never led the league in any statistical category. MRR did so at least three times, leading the league in both assists and steals during the 1979-80 season!
As a human being there may be no comparison, but as a pro basketball player, in all facets of the game, MRR is still the best to come out of the BSC.

thank you sir. You are correct that Lillard has NEVER lead the league in any category, and MRR did multiple times in multiple categories. It's a very different game today, but MRR was every-bit the superstar impact-player that Lillard is today, period. The ONLY thing that MRR's detractors are correct about is his drug use and how it destroyed and ended even greater things. I'm not defending that, but at this very moment MRR clearly has better credentials (in the same amount of NBA games). Lillard will most-likely fly past MRR in the next year or 2 if he keeps it up, and at that point I will admit Lillard was/is the best NBA-er from the BSC, but as of right this second, it's extremely close with the clear defensive edge to MRR, but I realize most people don't understand anything besides PPG.
 
Zirg said:
PeauxRouge said:
Zirg said:
mtgrizrule said:
Uh, Harden plays very little defense. He's also a ball hog. I cannot watch the Houston Hardens because of him. Carry on.

nobody plays defense anymore, and (judging by most posts here) nobody cares. Harden is now considered the "best basketball player in the world" by many people. All ignorant ppl point to is points. I guess I am one of the few that digs deeper into true value. I don't care what Andrew Wiggins PPG (18.1) is but he is one of the worst "complete" basketball players around. I know most of you can't grasp that, but he is a negative contributor to his team, because he is so one-dimensional. Points is only one category.

Nobody plays Defense in the NBA? Have you watched Kawhi? George? Klay is a master and just fantastic to watch on D. Check the last 4-or 5 minutes of the Warriors/Rockets game 6 and tell me Klay wasn't masterful. Some may not value D (Russ) but most every Title-Game ready team has a Defensive specialist.

Well, nobody (on this thread) seems to care (or give props) about MRR's incredible defensive stats compared to Lillard. I DO appreciate good defense. I'm happy to hear someone else (finally) talk about defense.

Love good D. Wish I could speak to MRR but he was before my time! Lillard isn't a Defensive force but he doesn't slack on D, either. He just isn't as physically gifted for it like some, I think. What he is good at is acrobatic drives to the lane and creating space for his shots despite his size. He's incredibly fun to watch. This argument smacks of LeBron Vs. MJ. It's hard to choose which one because of their era and how basketball was played in each. Maybe what it comes down to is their desire. I think MJ was a more ferocious competitor than LBJ. I wish I knew what MRR was like in that regard but all I have is stories. I do believe Lillard has developed that while in the NBA. I don't think he had enough of that spirit while in the BSC, otherwise he would have won a conference championship while at Weber, and he didn't. Did MRR? I honestly don't know, but again, that was a different (better?) era.
 
For all you MRR fans, which I am one, MRR only got his team to the playoffs 4 seasons out of his 8 NBA seasons and played in a total of 18 playoff games in his career......Lillard, on the other hand, has gone to the playoffs 6 seasons out of his 7 NBA seasons and has played a total of 47 playoff games in his career to this point.....I think a players value is measured greatly by how well his team performs....MRR was a great defensive player and an average offensive player....Lillard is an elite offensive player and an above average defensive player (proven out again at the end of his last playoff game with a critical steal in the last few possessions)....Unfortunately, MRR made choices in his life which curtailed many of his potential career accomplishments but he was reinstated to the NBA after a year and a half but he didn't even attempt to come back to the NBA...That tells me a ton about his competitive fire....MRR made the choices that may have stunted his NBA accomplishments but no one will ever know....Anything after he made his choices are pure speculation and NO ONE knows whether he had already peaked in NBA standards....Hands down, Lillard is the greatest player to come out of the BSC.....
 
Zirg said:
Gaeilge1 said:
I haven't weighed in on this debate for a little while, but two things are becoming very clear about whose side one is on. If you are A Damian supporter you are equating offensive prowess with being the best. If you are supporting MRR, you are looking at a number of the statistics to determine who was the best.
The best scorer to come out of the BSC is Damian Lillard, but the best overall basketball player is MRR, who was a much better defender and rebounded than Lillard. To my knowledge, Damian Lillard has never led the league in any statistical category. MRR did so at least three times, leading the league in both assists and steals during the 1979-80 season!
As a human being there may be no comparison, but as a pro basketball player, in all facets of the game, MRR is still the best to come out of the BSC.

thank you sir. You are correct that Lillard has NEVER lead the league in any category, and MRR did multiple times in multiple categories. It's a very different game today, but MRR was every-bit the superstar impact-player that Lillard is today, period. The ONLY thing that MRR's detractors are correct about is his drug use and how it destroyed and ended even greater things. I'm not defending that, but at this very moment MRR clearly has better credentials (in the same amount of NBA games). Lillard will most-likely fly past MRR in the next year or 2 if he keeps it up, and at that point I will admit Lillard was/is the best NBA-er from the BSC, but as of right this second, it's extremely close with the clear defensive edge to MRR, but I realize most people don't understand anything besides PPG.
Get back to us when you figure out if MRR ever made the first team all nba. That’s really the only “stat” that matters in this debate. If MRR wasn’t considered the best at his position during his era (and Dame is now), then your “stats” are meaningless in the modern game.
Get back to us when you figure that out, and we’ll get back to you if we need an opinion on Metamucil.
 
garizzalies said:
Zirg said:
Gaeilge1 said:
I haven't weighed in on this debate for a little while, but two things are becoming very clear about whose side one is on. If you are A Damian supporter you are equating offensive prowess with being the best. If you are supporting MRR, you are looking at a number of the statistics to determine who was the best.
The best scorer to come out of the BSC is Damian Lillard, but the best overall basketball player is MRR, who was a much better defender and rebounded than Lillard. To my knowledge, Damian Lillard has never led the league in any statistical category. MRR did so at least three times, leading the league in both assists and steals during the 1979-80 season!
As a human being there may be no comparison, but as a pro basketball player, in all facets of the game, MRR is still the best to come out of the BSC.

thank you sir. You are correct that Lillard has NEVER lead the league in any category, and MRR did multiple times in multiple categories. It's a very different game today, but MRR was every-bit the superstar impact-player that Lillard is today, period. The ONLY thing that MRR's detractors are correct about is his drug use and how it destroyed and ended even greater things. I'm not defending that, but at this very moment MRR clearly has better credentials (in the same amount of NBA games). Lillard will most-likely fly past MRR in the next year or 2 if he keeps it up, and at that point I will admit Lillard was/is the best NBA-er from the BSC, but as of right this second, it's extremely close with the clear defensive edge to MRR, but I realize most people don't understand anything besides PPG.
Get back to us when you figure out if MRR ever made the first team all nba. That’s really the only “stat” that matters in this debate. If MRR wasn’t considered the best at his position during his era (and Dame is now), then your “stats” are meaningless in the modern game.
Get back to us when you figure that out, and we’ll get back to you if we need an opinion on Metamucil.

I already posted that. After he's selected this season, that will make it Lillard's 4th All NBA selection. That will be 4 in 7 seasons. Richardson was never selected All NBA.

"All NBA teams mean much more to me than All Star selections. Lillard has 3 All NBA team selections in his first six seasons. He was 3rd team in 2014, 2nd team in 2016, and 1st team in 2018. A 1st team selection says a lot, in my opinion. 1st team means a top 5 player that season, or a top 5 player in the world. Also, it's a safe assumption he will be All NBA again this season, possibly another 1st team. That will make 4 All NBA team selections in seven seasons. Richardson was never selected All NBA. To be fair, there was only two teams (10 players) selected until 1989. There has been 3 teams (15 players) since. I'm not old enough to remember Richardson. Maybe he would have been a 3rd teamer if they had had one, I don't know. Still, to me there's no question Lillard is the best NBA player to ever come out of the Big Sky. To be honest, I was really surprised someone actually questioned that."
 
sacstateman said:
For all you MRR fans, which I am one, MRR only got his team to the playoffs 4 seasons out of his 8 NBA seasons and played in a total of 18 playoff games in his career......Lillard, on the other hand, has gone to the playoffs 6 seasons out of his 7 NBA seasons and has played a total of 47 playoff games in his career to this point.....I think a players value is measured greatly by how well his team performs....MRR was a great defensive player and an average offensive player....Lillard is an elite offensive player and an above average defensive player (proven out again at the end of his last playoff game with a critical steal in the last few possessions)....Unfortunately, MRR made choices in his life which curtailed many of his potential career accomplishments but he was reinstated to the NBA after a year and a half but he didn't even attempt to come back to the NBA...That tells me a ton about his competitive fire....MRR made the choices that may have stunted his NBA accomplishments but no one will ever know....Anything after he made his choices are pure speculation and NO ONE knows whether he had already peaked in NBA standards....Hands down, Lillard is the greatest player to come out of the BSC.....

:thumb: Lillard just lead the Blazers to their first conference finals in almost two decades. And with the exception of McCollum (another mid-major guy), he's done it with a roster full of low to mid-level NBA talent. And the only other player on the team that would maybe be considered above average talent practically snapped his leg in three before the playoffs even started.
 
I’ll repeat it, because it bears repeating: Lillard would get KILLED in MMR’s NBA. The two games aren’t even comparable.
 
AZGrizFan said:
I’ll repeat it, because it bears repeating: Lillard would get KILLED in MMR’s NBA. The two games aren’t even comparable.
it isn't even close. It is almost 40 years ago. I am an older guy (53) and to try to compare the NBA of the late 1970's to today is kinda ridiculous. MRR would be like Rondo in today's NBA... good passer..good rebounder..can't shoot. The game is way better now..and it will be way better in 40 years.
 
AZGrizFan said:
I’ll repeat it, because it bears repeating: Lillard would get KILLED in MMR’s NBA. The two games aren’t even comparable.

I'll repeat it because it bears repeating: Lillard is the best player to ever come out of the BSC.....
 
AZGrizFan said:
I’ll repeat it, because it bears repeating: Lillard would get KILLED in MMR’s NBA. The two games aren’t even comparable.
Do you really think the talent level in the nba was better 40 years ago? Do you think computers were better 40 years ago, too?
I was kind of joking around in this thread teasing all you old frogs and your crazy nostalgia but this is starting to get absurd. At first I thought you guys were just a bit over the hill, reliving the glory days, and a little out of touch. But now I realize I way underestimated you and your average age. As shown above, a 53yro gets it. So you guys must be much older than I thought. And not just old, you’re senile and dementia is starting to take hold.
 
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