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Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?

i suspect my posting here will decrease, as, like many, i am too lazy to click click click click to get to a thread. having said that, the joke of the w.h.o. investigating the virus in china is already running into the ccp treatment, which is one reason why the so-called investigation is a joke. the other is that the w.h.o. leadership is a joke, too, and also a danger and a group of clowns who have knowingly given out ccp propaganda instead of the truth, bad, conflicting, and harmful 'advice' on the virus, etc etc.. but they are still going to fake doing a real investigation, which the ccp will tout as unbiased, etc, particularly to people on the mainland, and of course now on the golden cage that is hong kong. biden better have a plan to deal with the ccp, hopefully entailing naming someone who is both experienced with the ccp and cognitively able to do the job - if biden gets elected.

no paywall, as usual, but beware, the south china morning post is owned by the commie jack ma, and is gradually turning into a propaganda arm of the ccp: https://www.scmp.com/coronavirus/greater-china/article/3092861/who-when-where-no-word-who-experts-coronavirus-trip-china
 
argh! said:
i suspect my posting here will decrease, as, like many, i am too lazy to click click click click to get to a thread. having said that, the joke of the w.h.o. investigating the virus in china is already running into the ccp treatment, which is one reason why the so-called investigation is a joke. the other is that the w.h.o. leadership is a joke, too, and also a danger and a group of clowns who have knowingly given out ccp propaganda instead of the truth, bad, conflicting, and harmful 'advice' on the virus, etc etc.. but they are still going to fake doing a real investigation, which the ccp will tout as unbiased, etc, particularly to people on the mainland, and of course now on the golden cage that is hong kong. biden better have a plan to deal with the ccp, hopefully entailing naming someone who is both experienced with the ccp and cognitively able to do the job - if biden gets elected.

no paywall, as usual, but beware, the south china morning post is owned by the commie jack ma, and is gradually turning into a propaganda arm of the ccp: https://www.scmp.com/coronavirus/greater-china/article/3092861/who-when-where-no-word-who-experts-coronavirus-trip-china

Argh! Your posts rock. :clap: :clap: :clap: You are more then welcome to bring your expertise over to the new Tabboo II thread I started. Just keep on posting as usual but always drop a comment about FCS and Griz football to keep PR and his dumb ass moderators off of our asses. They are fucking insidious just like the ccp. #Freedomfries. :thumb:
 
Dutch Lane said:
argh! said:
i suspect my posting here will decrease, as, like many, i am too lazy to click click click click to get to a thread. having said that, the joke of the w.h.o. investigating the virus in china is already running into the ccp treatment, which is one reason why the so-called investigation is a joke. the other is that the w.h.o. leadership is a joke, too, and also a danger and a group of clowns who have knowingly given out ccp propaganda instead of the truth, bad, conflicting, and harmful 'advice' on the virus, etc etc.. but they are still going to fake doing a real investigation, which the ccp will tout as unbiased, etc, particularly to people on the mainland, and of course now on the golden cage that is hong kong. biden better have a plan to deal with the ccp, hopefully entailing naming someone who is both experienced with the ccp and cognitively able to do the job - if biden gets elected.

no paywall, as usual, but beware, the south china morning post is owned by the commie jack ma, and is gradually turning into a propaganda arm of the ccp: https://www.scmp.com/coronavirus/greater-china/article/3092861/who-when-where-no-word-who-experts-coronavirus-trip-china

Argh! Your posts rock. :clap: :clap: :clap: You are more then welcome to bring your expertise over to the new Tabboo II thread I started. Just keep on posting as usual but always drop a comment about FCS and Griz football to keep PR and his dumb ass moderators off of our asses. They are f###[#] insidious just like the ccp. #Freedomfries. :thumb:

..pretty funny like Biden's going to investigate the CCP when his son made millions off them ...matter of fact Dems made millions..
he is pawn in the CCP hands...so wishful thinking...if he does get elected we are screwed! ...almost 50 years of what...creepy
hands on kids!....enough of that...hopefully the truth will come out and people will wake up and see what the CCP is really like..
..a defector ? https://www.foxnews.com/media/li-meng-yan-virologist-china-coronavirus-coverup
 
PlayerRep said:
1. "Younger adults are increasingly testing positive for the coronavirus

In parts of the country, more people in their 20s and 30s are testing positive for the coronavirus. Experts say this is likely due to more testing and less adherence to distancing and mask guidelines."

"As much of the country presses forward with reopening, a growing number of cities and states are finding that the coronavirus outbreak now has a foothold in a younger slice of the population, with people in their 20s and 30s accounting for a larger share of new coronavirus infections.

The demographic shift has emerged in regions with different populations and political approaches to the pandemic – from Washington state and California to Florida and Texas. North Carolina, South Carolina, Arizona, Wisconsin and Colorado also all report clusters that have a larger proportion of young adults than they had previously seen.

Public health experts say the trend could be explained in several ways. More people are getting coronavirus tests. The criteria for who gets tested, as well as the capacity to test them, has expanded since the beginning of the pandemic. Early on, generally only people with symptoms or who were seriously ill could get tested at all.

But some public health experts say the increase is because some younger adults may perceive that they are less at risk than their parents or grandparents and are more likely to venture back into society as it reopens — that could mean going to restaurants or social gatherings or returning to the workplace.

What first caught Malmgren's attention was that hospitalizations in Washington were falling, but new cases did not mirror that decrease. Even as more older adults were tested, the rate of infections in younger adults continued to climb.

"The key to controlling this virus so it's not running rampant is to look at the people who are most active and have most contact with the public," she said.

While there is always a risk of becoming seriously ill, the chance of someone under 40 ending up in the hospital is quite low. In fact, the rate of hospitalization for people who test positive for COVID-19 in their 20s is under 4%, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. For those over 60, the rates go way up, to over 20%. The fatality rate for people in their 20s and 30s without underlying health conditions is about 0.1%.

The story is similar in California. People under 35 now make up about 44% of new infections in that state, compared to 29% last month, according to an analysis of state data by infectious disease epidemiologist George Lemp.

The uptick in new cases is evident in both children and teenagers, as well as adults.
"It's very striking that there's been such a strong shift," said Lemp, the former director of the University of California's HIV/AIDS Research Program. "Some of that could be due to the testing itself and targeting of younger people. And it's also likely due to the shift in behavior as younger people start to move away from social distancing and consistent mask use."

Read in NPR: https://apple.news/AoYhdB9cbQKuuJyN-tE7LWw

2. "Coronavirus Mystery: Are Kids Less Likely To Catch It Than Adults Are?

A new study offers some answers. But many questions remain, including what role children play in transmission."

""What we found was that people under 20 were about half as susceptible to infection as people over 20," Eggo says.

So kids and teens appear far less likely than adults to actually get infected with the virus.

"And then we also found that the probability of showing clinical symptoms ... so getting ill enough that you report the infection... that rose from around 20% in 10- to 19-year-olds, up to around 70% in those over 70," she says.

Eggo's research was published this week in the journal Nature. It uses mathematical models to examine coronavirus data from six countries — China, South Korea, Italy, Japan, Singapore and Canada. The results are similar to an April study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which found that while kids under age 18 make up 22% of the U.S. population, they've accounted for fewer than 2% of reported cases.

The median age in Africa is 20; while in Europe, it's 43.

If younger people are less susceptible to the disease, does that mean countries with younger citizens may have less intense outbreaks?

Megan Culler Freeman, a virologist and pediatrician at University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, says kids are major spreaders of many other respiratory diseases.

"The kids are going to day care, they're going to school, especially the younger ones [who] aren't necessarily as polite with their coughs and sneezes," Freeman says. "So it's really easy for those diseases to spread."

Yet that's not what's been reported so far with COVID-19.

Freeman, who studied coronaviruses for her Ph.D,, says children are clearly susceptible to the other known coronaviruses that circulate each year during cold and flu season. Yet something different is happening with this new one.

"We've had a tremendous number of case numbers throughout both the United States and the world. And really a minority of those have been identified in children," she says. "Somewhere between 2 and 5% of all of the [reported] infections are in children under the age of 18, which is kind of amazing."

There are a couple of hypotheses as to why, Freeman says. One is that kids get a milder form of the disease. If they aren't showing symptoms, they may never get tested. And thus those infections aren't counted.

Freeman adds there's also some research showing that the receptors in human cells that the coronavirus latches on to are less developed in younger people.

But both Eggo and Freeman say it's still unclear exactly why children are less at risk to the virus, why so few cases have been detected in kids and whether that trend will continue.

Read in NPR: https://apple.news/AndEclP_0QAKE_Hkh4q2BWw

we're 8th - worst: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
 
argh! said:
PlayerRep said:
1. "Younger adults are increasingly testing positive for the coronavirus

In parts of the country, more people in their 20s and 30s are testing positive for the coronavirus. Experts say this is likely due to more testing and less adherence to distancing and mask guidelines."

"As much of the country presses forward with reopening, a growing number of cities and states are finding that the coronavirus outbreak now has a foothold in a younger slice of the population, with people in their 20s and 30s accounting for a larger share of new coronavirus infections.

The demographic shift has emerged in regions with different populations and political approaches to the pandemic – from Washington state and California to Florida and Texas. North Carolina, South Carolina, Arizona, Wisconsin and Colorado also all report clusters that have a larger proportion of young adults than they had previously seen.

Public health experts say the trend could be explained in several ways. More people are getting coronavirus tests. The criteria for who gets tested, as well as the capacity to test them, has expanded since the beginning of the pandemic. Early on, generally only people with symptoms or who were seriously ill could get tested at all.

But some public health experts say the increase is because some younger adults may perceive that they are less at risk than their parents or grandparents and are more likely to venture back into society as it reopens — that could mean going to restaurants or social gatherings or returning to the workplace.

What first caught Malmgren's attention was that hospitalizations in Washington were falling, but new cases did not mirror that decrease. Even as more older adults were tested, the rate of infections in younger adults continued to climb.

"The key to controlling this virus so it's not running rampant is to look at the people who are most active and have most contact with the public," she said.

While there is always a risk of becoming seriously ill, the chance of someone under 40 ending up in the hospital is quite low. In fact, the rate of hospitalization for people who test positive for COVID-19 in their 20s is under 4%, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. For those over 60, the rates go way up, to over 20%. The fatality rate for people in their 20s and 30s without underlying health conditions is about 0.1%.

The story is similar in California. People under 35 now make up about 44% of new infections in that state, compared to 29% last month, according to an analysis of state data by infectious disease epidemiologist George Lemp.

The uptick in new cases is evident in both children and teenagers, as well as adults.
"It's very striking that there's been such a strong shift," said Lemp, the former director of the University of California's HIV/AIDS Research Program. "Some of that could be due to the testing itself and targeting of younger people. And it's also likely due to the shift in behavior as younger people start to move away from social distancing and consistent mask use."

Read in NPR: https://apple.news/AoYhdB9cbQKuuJyN-tE7LWw

2. "Coronavirus Mystery: Are Kids Less Likely To Catch It Than Adults Are?

A new study offers some answers. But many questions remain, including what role children play in transmission."

""What we found was that people under 20 were about half as susceptible to infection as people over 20," Eggo says.

So kids and teens appear far less likely than adults to actually get infected with the virus.

"And then we also found that the probability of showing clinical symptoms ... so getting ill enough that you report the infection... that rose from around 20% in 10- to 19-year-olds, up to around 70% in those over 70," she says.

Eggo's research was published this week in the journal Nature. It uses mathematical models to examine coronavirus data from six countries — China, South Korea, Italy, Japan, Singapore and Canada. The results are similar to an April study from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which found that while kids under age 18 make up 22% of the U.S. population, they've accounted for fewer than 2% of reported cases.

The median age in Africa is 20; while in Europe, it's 43.

If younger people are less susceptible to the disease, does that mean countries with younger citizens may have less intense outbreaks?

Megan Culler Freeman, a virologist and pediatrician at University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, says kids are major spreaders of many other respiratory diseases.

"The kids are going to day care, they're going to school, especially the younger ones [who] aren't necessarily as polite with their coughs and sneezes," Freeman says. "So it's really easy for those diseases to spread."

Yet that's not what's been reported so far with COVID-19.

Freeman, who studied coronaviruses for her Ph.D,, says children are clearly susceptible to the other known coronaviruses that circulate each year during cold and flu season. Yet something different is happening with this new one.

"We've had a tremendous number of case numbers throughout both the United States and the world. And really a minority of those have been identified in children," she says. "Somewhere between 2 and 5% of all of the [reported] infections are in children under the age of 18, which is kind of amazing."

There are a couple of hypotheses as to why, Freeman says. One is that kids get a milder form of the disease. If they aren't showing symptoms, they may never get tested. And thus those infections aren't counted.

Freeman adds there's also some research showing that the receptors in human cells that the coronavirus latches on to are less developed in younger people.

But both Eggo and Freeman say it's still unclear exactly why children are less at risk to the virus, why so few cases have been detected in kids and whether that trend will continue.

Read in NPR: https://apple.news/AndEclP_0QAKE_Hkh4q2BWw

we're 8th - worst: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

.....rumor has CDC testing might not be that accurate...we will have to see how it all pans out! numerous sources
say foul play is going on...stay tune!
 
grizghost said:
argh! said:
we're 8th - worst: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

.....rumor has CDC testing might not be that accurate...we will have to see how it all pans out! numerous sources
say foul play is going on...stay tune!

is this coming from one of those ridiculous "many, many people are saying" trump idiocies? you know, like 'many, many people are saying it was the biggest inauguration crowd ever', etc etc and on and on...
 
argh! said:
grizghost said:
.....rumor has CDC testing might not be that accurate...we will have to see how it all pans out! numerous sources
say foul play is going on...stay tune!

is this coming from one of those ridiculous "many, many people are saying" trump idiocies? you know, like 'many, many people are saying it was the biggest inauguration crowd ever', etc etc and on and on...

...no reason to get excited but like you said the CCP was manipulating the WHO ( which I agree ) maybe a special task force needs to
make sure the CDC is coming clean with their testing data...the American people deserve it..these agencies can get corrupt especially
at the highest level for political reasons...lets see!
 
the ccp is trying to steal u.s. vaccine research information. what a surprise! this is from the nyt, posted part of it here because there is a pay wall after a few articles per month:

WASHINGTON — The Justice Department accused a pair of Chinese hackers on Tuesday of targeting vaccine development on behalf of the country’s intelligence service as part of a broader yearslong campaign of cybertheft aimed at industries around the world, including defense contractors, high-end manufacturing and solar energy companies.

Justice Department officials labeled the suspects, Li Xiaoyu and Dong Jiazhi, as a blended threat who sometimes worked on behalf of China’s spy services and sometimes worked to enrich themselves. The officials said that an indictment secured against them this month and unsealed on Tuesday was the first to target such a threat.

American government officials said that the suspects had previously stolen information about other Chinese intelligence targets like human rights activists and, at the behest of China’s spy service, shifted focus this year to trying to acquire coronavirus vaccine research.

The indictment came as the Trump administration has stepped up its criticism of Beijing, both for its theft of secrets and its failure to contain the spread of the coronavirus pandemic, and is a significant escalation of that campaign to denounce Beijing. The Justice Department said that China’s covert activity could potentially set back research efforts.

The accusations also came days after the United States and allied countries accused Russia of trying to steal information on vaccine development.

the article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/politics/china-hacking-coronavirus-vaccine.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
 
grizghost said:
argh! said:
is this coming from one of those ridiculous "many, many people are saying" trump idiocies? you know, like 'many, many people are saying it was the biggest inauguration crowd ever', etc etc and on and on...

...no reason to get excited but like you said the CCP was manipulating the WHO ( which I agree ) maybe a special task force needs to
make sure the CDC is coming clean with their testing data...the American people deserve it..these agencies can get corrupt especially
at the highest level for political reasons...lets see!
Do you really think bureaucrats at the highest and lowest levels of the cdc would violate federal law, which carries with it criminal liability and prison, risk their careers and employment, regarding the worst pandemic in over 100 years for politics? I believe there is too much transparency in our society now with the World Wide Web, and the scientific and medical fields peer reviewed internationally to support your conspiracy theory. Why would some lowly data process person, or a nurse, an MD or an administrator at cdc or at hospitals all over the country risk their jobs and prison by falsifying death certificate information and testing data? We’re talking 145,000 deaths and what 3,000,0000 positive tests. How is this data manipulation supposed to work and not be found out by the media, the military and intelligence agencies, the justice department or the thousands of cdc people directly involved in the pandemic testing. Can you refute this?
 
it's all a hoax to sell more sex toys!

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3094355/chinas-sex-toy-makers-growth-spurt-coronavirus-lockdowns-fuel
 
argh! said:
it's all a hoax to sell more sex toys!

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3094355/chinas-sex-toy-makers-growth-spurt-coronavirus-lockdowns-fuel

Sounds like you planned ahead and stocked up. :thumb:
You probably bought a couple pallets to toilet paper before the Kung Flu hit. I had newsprint on standby.
 
tourist said:
argh! said:
it's all a hoax to sell more sex toys!

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3094355/chinas-sex-toy-makers-growth-spurt-coronavirus-lockdowns-fuel

Sounds like you planned ahead and stocked up. :thumb:
You probably bought a couple pallets to toilet paper before the Kung Flu hit. I had newsprint on standby.

no excess tp for me, but i did start wearing a mask in mid-march, because it works, or would have, if a group of americans weren't such loyal cultists for trump, or on the other side, protesting without any precautions for the virus. and no, the surge in cases is not due to the latter, although that is part of it. the surge is mostly due to idiots crowding restaurants and bars on memorial day. fortunately, the virus apparently doesn't last long outside, thank goodness. on a different tangent, the guy in the article says the chinese don't buy as many sex toys because of cultural reasons. he is full of it. they don't buy them because prostitution is all over the place in china, in the form of 'dual purpose' massage parlors. they are ubiquitous, or at least were. i suspect they survived the shutdown, though, since it wasn't much more than a month. whereas under our fearless leader, our country has failed miserably in handling the virus. make as many excuses as you want, it won't change how shitty we've handled the virus.
 
....if the Three Gorge Dam goes in China they say 400 million people would be affected...killing an half million..
this is where the CCP would not come clean if there was a problem...this would send rippling effects around
the world...satellite picture shows it is distorting...as much as I dislike CCP this would bring total devastation
to much of the interior Chinese people who would pay the price...more rains expected!
 
grizghost said:
....if the Three Gorge Dam goes in China they say 400 million people would be affected...killing an half million..
this is where the CCP would not come clean if there was a problem...this would send rippling effects around
the world...satellite picture shows it is distorting...as much as I dislike CCP this would bring total devastation
to much of the interior Chinese people who would pay the price...more rains expected!

yeah, that thing goes and a lot of suffering would follow. one of the first big cities to get hit would be wuhan, as if they haven't had enough to deal with lately. alas for the ccp, they can't control everything like they can the hong kong 'elections', for which they are simply 'disqualifying' rivals... https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3095327/hong-kong-elections-12-opposition-candidates-disqualified
 
in a good artistic interpretation of what has happened in china since xi took power, this video uses the themes from "lost in translation", and another movie called "her" as inspirations. it is pretty symbolic, but nothing beyond the reach of google.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9yLIRfOk-s&t=3s
 
1500 deaths yesterday, so much for all the 'fatalities are going down' prediction from the anti-mask clowns. they'd rather preen and show how 'tough' they are by being stupid than just wear a mask and do their part to get the damn thing over. unless maybe they are lining up for vlad's vaccine?
 
argh! said:
1500 deaths yesterday, so much for all the 'fatalities are going down' prediction from the anti-mask clowns. they'd rather preen and show how 'tough' they are by being stupid than just wear a mask and do their part to get the damn thing over. unless maybe they are lining up for vlad's vaccine?

Are there still lots of people not wearing masks in places where the virus is spreading? From what I have seen most people in Missoula seem to be following the rules.

In the 4 weeks before Missoula made masks mandatory Missoula added 63 cases, about 2 per day, a trend that so alarmed locals authorities they pressured the health department into a mask order. In the 5 weeks since the mask order went into effect Missoula has added 223 cases, an average of over 6 per day (and an average of almost 8 per day in the last week). Nobody seems too concerned that the number of daily cases is increasing now that there is a mask mandate though.

I see Biden wants a national order that everyone wear masks when outdoors for the next 3 months. I’m not sure why only 3 months, what is so magical about mid November that we won’t need masks anymore?
 
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