Buttegrizzle said:PhxGriz said:Rodger is isolated and has infected nobody and seem to be weathering COVID easily. Why did he need to get the vaccine? Care to share all your research genius?
PS. You really shouldn't step out into the science field and make an ass of yourself.
Speaking of making an ass of yourself, did I say he was infecting anybody? No. I didn’t. Did I say he wasn’t isolated (but of course he wasn’t-thats how he got infected)? I didn’t say that ether. He’s paid millions of dollars per game to be on the damn field winning damn games. Now his pseudo-intellectualism (Or is it anti-social Individualism?) has led him to listen to that ignorant Shock jock Rogan instead of his goddamn doctor. He may well have infected teammates. He damn sure let them down. Sorry Pgriz, a chemist you may be but an epidemiologist you ain’t. Anyone, especially those who are part of a larger organization or company or in public should be vaccinated. I know we all want to be ala-natural but that’s why it’s called a novel virus. We don’t have natural immunity until we contract and survive it. Tell me what about this vaccine makes you think it’s worse than the disease and it’s long haul effects?
You didn't answer my question about providing proof that being vaccinated is better than recovering naturally, especially in Roger's situation where his IFR (Infection Fatality Ratio), at worst, is around .02%, meaning that out of 1000 people who contract COVID, two will die. While this is strictly a ratio, it shows that Rogers isn't in any danger, as he is not going to be one of the two people that are morbidly obese, have diabetes, high blood pressure or COPD and die from COVID. Rogers is in no danger, and his sitting on his couch while giving an interview with COVID proves it.
In regards to spreading COVID, did you not listen to Dr Walensky of the CDC when she stated that being vaccinated does NOT prevent you from contracting COVID and spreading it? If we want to run off unsubstantiated bullshit like you have, one can easily say that the vaccinated are the superspreaders due to the vaccine causing fewer symptoms and those contracting the virus having an "I'm protected" attitude. It's really easy to pull unsubstantiated bullshit out of your ass. By the way, did you catch that Walensky from the CDC also said masks are 80% effective at preventing COVID? That's better than the vaccines! Hooray!
As for doctors, are you fucking kidding me? I talked to my own doctor and he had NO CLUE what the data over in Israel and the UK is showing. Those that are 4-6 months out have lost their protection from COVID. In addition, he had NO answer as to why the UK data showed a lack of N (nucleocapsid) protein antibodies. I'm not trying to bury you in lingo, but that data is showing the vaccinated could have a lesser immunity than those recovered from COVID. That would mean, if true, you would be susceptible to future variants due to the limited immunity provided from the vaccines. We won't even get into how the nucleocapsid is a more conserved section of the virus, meaning it mutates less.
Of course we need to talk about the Israeli study that shows recovered immunity is better than vaccine immunity. Of course the wonderful CDC, which does not show it's data, came up with a "rebuttal" study proving the opposite that has been torn apart by those that understand studies. Why didn't the CDC match cohorts?
I could go on and on. If you think the pro vaccine crowd has been forthright with data, I don't know what to tell you.
As I replied in AZ's post, what is wrong with winning for both sides? The vaccine has helped those that normally wouldn't survive COVID and those that are in no danger can acquire their immunity through natural means, as that is what is eventually going to end the pandemic. Nothing wrong with a vaccine postponing an infection to the point the vulnerable will survive infection with hopefully a less "hot" version.
My point in this rant, is to criticize Rogers who has an allergy issue with the two main vaccines, and had his third option removed is very speculative and lacks data discussed by all.
I'm not a Chemist either. Just a guy who got a science degree who has been trying to inform himself of all aspects of the virus. I have sat in the middle listening to both extremes spout bullshit that is not backed up by proof. The finger pointing gets old, especially the vilification without justification.