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Custer's Last Rant!

citygriz

Well-known member
Dear Board:
I've sounded off vociferously and ad nauseam on this board about both our men's and women's teams. If you're bored with me, go sit over there with my wife.
But just one more thing to get off my chest before I shut up for good: The three-point shot.
It was introduced into the NBA in 1979, and by the NCAA in 1986.
From its introduction it was considered by many "old school" college coaches to be a gimmick. I would put Mike Montgomery into that category of coaches. He once said if any kid looked down to see where the three-point line was, he'd be on the bench.
Even in the pro's the three-point shot was seen as something of a gimmick. Not to a Reggie Miller or Ray Allen or Kyle Korver but even these guys were seen as "specialists." So maybe you had a "three-point specialist" on your team and maybe you didn't. But it wasn't crucial.
All of which changed when Steph Curry and Klay Thompson came along. When you had two guys on the same team raining down three's on your head with 40%-plus accuracy, it was just impossible to cope with. You had to adjust.
And the NBA has. So too have most college coaches. You watch teams now routinely shooting three's with great accuracy.
The Warriors got a dose of their own medicine a couple weeks ago at Utah. The Jazz shot almost nothing but three's, and they didn't miss. Another guy who got religion was Damian Lillard. He's now an incredible three-point shooter. In fact, he and Curry had been texting back and forth about which one would be the first to hit from a logo--which Curry did the other night in Dallas.
Nowhere anymore will you hear the term "three-point specialist" cause just about everybody has become a specialist.
Which is why I am so baffled by our inability to take three's--especially when crisp ball movement leaves a Vazquez or a Whitney or a Beasely wide open as we've seen so many times this year. And these kids can shoot! They're all close to or above 40%. If they're open and set--that's a great shot! Take it!
Unhappily, I'm afraid Travis is from the Mike Montgomery school of coaching. In the deepest part of his soul, I think he still thinks of the three-point shot as a gimmick, that if you keep working the ball around and around, you're going to get a higher percentage shot.
But in today's game, you're not. That is the end all, be all of today's game. Travis has recruited the talent. Now I hope he gets religion--and soon.
 
Question: were we at the bottom of the pack in 3-point attempts the past several years too, under TD? Or is this a “new” phenomenon that’s possibly related to the youth of the players and TD’s lack of trust?
 
Right from the start (and I go back that far), my only problem with the trey was ... they made it too easy (and it still is, IMO). Yes, teams had "specialists" in the early years. But even a decent "ordinary" shooter could throw up a hope shot that was rewarded with half again as many points. Historically, as I recall, the team percentage for regular field goals averages 45-48%. The rare night when a team shot over 50% was and is (rightly) considered an anomaly. Shooting 40% on treys is equivalent to 60% in terms of reward. Moving the three-point line further out would provide a better risk-reward balance between the two. That, I believe, would make the game more interesting.

That being said, your point is well taken. With the rules the way they are, with such a big premium for the trey ... Why shoot anything else? Even when a guy grabs an offensive rebound, it make sense to kick the ball back out for another three try, unless there's a clear line to the basket for a dunk or layup. Coaches have needed to adapt to the change and, as you point out, many have. To view the shot as a "gimmick" ignores current reality.
 
fanofzoo said:
Hey citay could you do one on fast breaks, same MO.

Fast-breaks have been around for a l-o-n-g long time.

Back in the 1950's, Utah was called "The Runnin' Redskins." Jeez--that was 70 years ago!

They had a center, Billy "The Hill" McGill, and a fabulous wing player, the late Alan Holmes, formerly of Weber Sate junior college, whose son is Byron Scott.

The Lakers were famous for "Showtime." Jeez--that was 30 years ago!

They had Kareem to rebound, Magic to dish and Worthy flying in off the wings for those spectacular swooping dunks.

So ya gotta have the talent. Not sure we do.

But we certainly have it to make three's.
 
citay said:
fanofzoo said:
Hey citay could you do one on fast breaks, same MO.

Fast-breaks have been around for a l-o-n-g long time.

Back in the 1950's, Utah was called "The Runnin' Redskins." Jeez--that was 70 years ago!

They had a center, Billy "The Hill" McGill, and a fabulous wing player, the late Alan Holmes, formerly of Weber Sate junior college, whose son is Byron Scott.

The Lakers were famous for "Showtime." Jeez--that was 30 years ago!

They had Kareem to rebound, Magic to dish and Worthy flying in off the wings for those spectacular swooping dunks.

So ya gotta have the talent. Not sure we do.

But we certainly have it to make three's.
Thanks
I think we have the players but when getting the rebound you must pass up court not behind you to the guard, hell watch the lady griz they push the ball.
 
fanofzoo said:
citay said:
Fast-breaks have been around for a l-o-n-g long time.

Back in the 1950's, Utah was called "The Runnin' Redskins." Jeez--that was 70 years ago!

They had a center, Billy "The Hill" McGill, and a fabulous wing player, the late Alan Holmes, formerly of Weber Sate junior college, whose son is Byron Scott.

The Lakers were famous for "Showtime." Jeez--that was 30 years ago!

They had Kareem to rebound, Magic to dish and Worthy flying in off the wings for those spectacular swooping dunks.

So ya gotta have the talent. Not sure we do.

But we certainly have it to make three's.
Thanks
I think we have the players but when getting the rebound you must pass up court not behind you to the guard, hell watch the lady griz they push the ball.

Some pretty good teams you mention. But, I sat floorside at the Las Vegas Convention Center while Tarkanian had the best teams in the country, for two years. So much talent and they worked as a team. UNLV belongs on your list. The NCAA top tier hated Tarkanian because he did so much with so much less than they had.
 
GrizLA said:
fanofzoo said:
Thanks
I think we have the players but when getting the rebound you must pass up court not behind you to the guard, hell watch the lady griz they push the ball.

Some pretty good teams you mention. But, I sat floorside at the Las Vegas Convention Center while Tarkanian had the best teams in the country, for two years. So much talent and they worked as a team. UNLV belongs on your list. The NCAA top tier hated Tarkanian because he did so much with so much less than they had.

What about Loyola Marymount, they could fast break off a made basket !
 
fanofzoo said:
GrizLA said:
Some pretty good teams you mention. But, I sat floorside at the Las Vegas Convention Center while Tarkanian had the best teams in the country, for two years. So much talent and they worked as a team. UNLV belongs on your list. The NCAA top tier hated Tarkanian because he did so much with so much less than they had.
What about Loyola Marymount, they could fast break off a made basket !
For absolute, all-out fast break I'd have to go with LM in the late 80's under Paul Westhead. His 1990 team still holds the D-I season record for per game scoring ... a mind-boggling 122.4 points per game. That's just four points less than the NBA record.
 
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