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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Ursa Major » Sun May 20, 2018 8:47 pm

HookedonGriz wrote:
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WyomingGrizFan wrote:
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TrueGriz wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:31 pm
...she indicates is a good player with very good prospects, but still being big time is a little strong.
So, just how many three-star rated 30th best guard in the nation in her class has the Lady Griz recruited in the past thirty of forty years?

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by HelenaHandBasket » Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 pm

Spanky2 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 pm
GrizLA wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:13 am
There are hundreds of outstanding young women basket ball players in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Tennessee that are capable of dominating the Big Sky Conference. Among those, I am more than sure that many would love to attend a place like UM if only to see how the other half lives.
Recruiting the southeast is cost prohibitive for the womens program.
Helena, why? I think the results can negate increased costs, if any. If we build relationships with the ACC coaches and recruit their rejects, we will have superior players over our current team members.
Women's basketball will never be a money maker, and spending more makes very little sense. UM women's basketball will continue to be very regional in recruiting. Even if you build relationships with ACC coaches, the return would most likely be minuscule. There are too many options for those kids to stay closer.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by HelenaHandBasket » Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm

maroonandsilver wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 2:47 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 pm
GrizLA wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:13 am
There are hundreds of outstanding young women basket ball players in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Tennessee that are capable of dominating the Big Sky Conference. Among those, I am more than sure that many would love to attend a place like UM if only to see how the other half lives.
Recruiting the southeast is cost prohibitive for the womens program.
Montana Men's Tennis successfully recruits multiple players from all over Europe as well as South Africa.
I think you are comparing apples to oranges.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by maroonandsilver » Tue May 22, 2018 1:42 pm

HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 pm
GrizLA wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 12:13 am
There are hundreds of outstanding young women basket ball players in the Carolinas, Georgia, and Tennessee that are capable of dominating the Big Sky Conference. Among those, I am more than sure that many would love to attend a place like UM if only to see how the other half lives.
Recruiting the southeast is cost prohibitive for the womens program.
Helena, why? I think the results can negate increased costs, if any. If we build relationships with the ACC coaches and recruit their rejects, we will have superior players over our current team members.
Women's basketball will never be a money maker, and spending more makes very little sense. UM women's basketball will continue to be very regional in recruiting. Even if you build relationships with ACC coaches, the return would most likely be minuscule. There are too many options for those kids to stay closer.
Pretty sexist post. Both Men's and Women's Basketball Teams lose money, and most likely always will. At UM, the Lady Griz have a large, loyal following. Just as large and loyal as the Men's program. And those fans expect competive teams.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by HelenaHandBasket » Tue May 22, 2018 1:57 pm

maroonandsilver wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Thu May 17, 2018 5:36 pm


Recruiting the southeast is cost prohibitive for the womens program.
Helena, why? I think the results can negate increased costs, if any. If we build relationships with the ACC coaches and recruit their rejects, we will have superior players over our current team members.
Women's basketball will never be a money maker, and spending more makes very little sense. UM women's basketball will continue to be very regional in recruiting. Even if you build relationships with ACC coaches, the return would most likely be minuscule. There are too many options for those kids to stay closer.
Pretty sexist post. Both Men's and Women's Basketball Teams lose money, and most likely always will. At UM, the Lady Griz have a large, loyal following. Just as large and loyal as the Men's program. And those fans expect competive teams.
Nothing sexist. The thread is about the women's program and that is what I addressed.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by AZGrizFan » Tue May 22, 2018 2:26 pm

HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:57 pm
maroonandsilver wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am

Helena, why? I think the results can negate increased costs, if any. If we build relationships with the ACC coaches and recruit their rejects, we will have superior players over our current team members.
Women's basketball will never be a money maker, and spending more makes very little sense. UM women's basketball will continue to be very regional in recruiting. Even if you build relationships with ACC coaches, the return would most likely be minuscule. There are too many options for those kids to stay closer.
Pretty sexist post. Both Men's and Women's Basketball Teams lose money, and most likely always will. At UM, the Lady Griz have a large, loyal following. Just as large and loyal as the Men's program. And those fans expect competive teams.
Nothing sexist. The thread is about the women's program and that is what I addressed.
:lol: Of all the nerve...addressing the thread topic. You should be ashamed of yourself
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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by DPGriz » Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm

HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:57 pm
maroonandsilver wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Sat May 19, 2018 11:26 am

Helena, why? I think the results can negate increased costs, if any. If we build relationships with the ACC coaches and recruit their rejects, we will have superior players over our current team members.
Women's basketball will never be a money maker, and spending more makes very little sense. UM women's basketball will continue to be very regional in recruiting. Even if you build relationships with ACC coaches, the return would most likely be minuscule. There are too many options for those kids to stay closer.
Pretty sexist post. Both Men's and Women's Basketball Teams lose money, and most likely always will. At UM, the Lady Griz have a large, loyal following. Just as large and loyal as the Men's program. And those fans expect competive teams.
Nothing sexist. The thread is about the women's program and that is what I addressed.
Seriously, not like the men's program is recruiting Florida, Georgia, ect

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Spanky2 » Tue May 22, 2018 2:53 pm

DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:57 pm
maroonandsilver wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 12:03 pm


Women's basketball will never be a money maker, and spending more makes very little sense. UM women's basketball will continue to be very regional in recruiting. Even if you build relationships with ACC coaches, the return would most likely be minuscule. There are too many options for those kids to stay closer.
Pretty sexist post. Both Men's and Women's Basketball Teams lose money, and most likely always will. At UM, the Lady Griz have a large, loyal following. Just as large and loyal as the Men's program. And those fans expect competive teams.
Nothing sexist. The thread is about the women's program and that is what I addressed.
Seriously, not like the men's program is recruiting Florida, Georgia, ect
Why not?

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by DPGriz » Tue May 22, 2018 4:03 pm

Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:53 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:57 pm
maroonandsilver wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:42 pm


Pretty sexist post. Both Men's and Women's Basketball Teams lose money, and most likely always will. At UM, the Lady Griz have a large, loyal following. Just as large and loyal as the Men's program. And those fans expect competive teams.
Nothing sexist. The thread is about the women's program and that is what I addressed.
Seriously, not like the men's program is recruiting Florida, Georgia, ect
Why not?
Probably because it's simultaneously more expensive to recruit/scout and harder to get commits from 2,000+ miles away. The southeast is not a good fit for Montana both in terms of distance and in terms of culture and weather, if UM wanted to expand their recruiting footprint (in any sport) the best bet, after the West Coast and Rockies, would be the Midwest.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Spanky2 » Tue May 22, 2018 4:52 pm

DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:53 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:57 pm


Nothing sexist. The thread is about the women's program and that is what I addressed.
Seriously, not like the men's program is recruiting Florida, Georgia, ect
Why not?
Probably because it's simultaneously more expensive to recruit/scout and harder to get commits from 2,000+ miles away. The southeast is not a good fit for Montana both in terms of distance and in terms of culture and weather, if UM wanted to expand their recruiting footprint (in any sport) the best bet, after the West Coast and Rockies, would be the Midwest.
Don’t agree it’s harder to recruit in the southeast,no harderthan a coach in the souteast to recruit a youngster in Montana. Yes, the culture is different, but we all live in the USA and many parents encourage their boy or girl to benefit by going to a school in another area of our country. Regarding ladies basketball, recruiting with success in the southeast could help bring our program to a higher level.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by DPGriz » Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm

Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:52 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:53 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:42 pm


Seriously, not like the men's program is recruiting Florida, Georgia, ect
Why not?
Probably because it's simultaneously more expensive to recruit/scout and harder to get commits from 2,000+ miles away. The southeast is not a good fit for Montana both in terms of distance and in terms of culture and weather, if UM wanted to expand their recruiting footprint (in any sport) the best bet, after the West Coast and Rockies, would be the Midwest.
Don’t agree it’s harder to recruit in the southeast,no harderthan a coach in the souteast to recruit a youngster in Montana. Yes, the culture is different, but we all live in the USA and many parents encourage their boy or girl to benefit by going to a school in another area of our country. Regarding ladies basketball, recruiting with success in the southeast could help bring our program to a higher level.
Which school in the southeast is recruiting Montana?

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Spanky2 » Tue May 22, 2018 5:49 pm

DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:52 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:03 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 2:53 pm

Why not?
Probably because it's simultaneously more expensive to recruit/scout and harder to get commits from 2,000+ miles away. The southeast is not a good fit for Montana both in terms of distance and in terms of culture and weather, if UM wanted to expand their recruiting footprint (in any sport) the best bet, after the West Coast and Rockies, would be the Midwest.
Don’t agree it’s harder to recruit in the southeast,no harderthan a coach in the souteast to recruit a youngster in Montana. Yes, the culture is different, but we all live in the USA and many parents encourage their boy or girl to benefit by going to a school in another area of our country. Regarding ladies basketball, recruiting with success in the southeast could help bring our program to a higher level.
Which school in the southeast is recruiting Montana?
Wake Forest, Clemson

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by HelenaHandBasket » Tue May 22, 2018 8:37 pm

Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:49 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:52 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:03 pm


Probably because it's simultaneously more expensive to recruit/scout and harder to get commits from 2,000+ miles away. The southeast is not a good fit for Montana both in terms of distance and in terms of culture and weather, if UM wanted to expand their recruiting footprint (in any sport) the best bet, after the West Coast and Rockies, would be the Midwest.
Don’t agree it’s harder to recruit in the southeast,no harderthan a coach in the souteast to recruit a youngster in Montana. Yes, the culture is different, but we all live in the USA and many parents encourage their boy or girl to benefit by going to a school in another area of our country. Regarding ladies basketball, recruiting with success in the southeast could help bring our program to a higher level.
Which school in the southeast is recruiting Montana?
Wake Forest, Clemson
So now you want to compare P5 recruiting budgets with BSC recruiting budgets?

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Spanky2 » Wed May 23, 2018 7:33 am

HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:37 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:49 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 4:52 pm

Don’t agree it’s harder to recruit in the southeast,no harderthan a coach in the souteast to recruit a youngster in Montana. Yes, the culture is different, but we all live in the USA and many parents encourage their boy or girl to benefit by going to a school in another area of our country. Regarding ladies basketball, recruiting with success in the southeast could help bring our program to a higher level.
Which school in the southeast is recruiting Montana?
Wake Forest, Clemson
So now you want to compare P5 recruiting budgets with BSC recruiting budgets?
No, we don’t need to do that. Most of us are aware of the difference in budgets.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by HelenaHandBasket » Wed May 23, 2018 12:14 pm

Spanky2 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 7:33 am
HelenaHandBasket wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 8:37 pm
Spanky2 wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:49 pm
DPGriz wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 5:04 pm


Which school in the southeast is recruiting Montana?
Wake Forest, Clemson
So now you want to compare P5 recruiting budgets with BSC recruiting budgets?
No, we don’t need to do that. Most of us are aware of the difference in budgets.
It seems not everyone as this thread continues.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Grizfan-24 » Wed May 23, 2018 1:18 pm

This has been discussed ad naseum, but part of the LG recruiting budget was historically calibrated and part of it self fulfilling.

When your success was defined by recruiting a particular type of player, from a particular place, who is to say that is a poor strategy to keep mining it. There comes an expectation that UM should continue, in face of compelling information to the contrary, to mine the same places. I don’t think Robin was ever complacent, but he was successful in part because for nearly a generation, those Montana girls were enough. They were above replacement players, and not at all a detriment to Big Sky Conference and some national success.

To alter that strategy, requires a substantive recalibration of efforts that may have been outside the scope of the staff and administration to engage upon. To be honest, I don’t know that some of it wouldn’t be possible without a change in direction within the staff.

If you consider how the men’s program has landed the likes of Pridgett, Oguine, Rorie, Anderson and others, you have to look at the types of connections DeCuire had. I don’t know that UM is on the same playing field as those guys without DeCuire. Presence in a region is less important as having coaches who have capital in those regions. Maybe in a few years, Montana can continue to recruit those areas without DeCuire.

If you go back to the football programs recruiting of two places: Hawaii and Florida during the 90’s. Their connections were entirely a product of who the coaches were and their understanding of the actual talent there.

So the women’s program could recruit places in California, metro San Francisco/Oakland, LA or San Diego. They could. They could spend a lot of time and money on places that might not bear fruit for years, with the current staff they have. I just think it would take a significant and concerted shift to go that direction. Just don’t know if they see that as efficient or possible.
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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by Spanky2 » Wed May 23, 2018 6:40 pm

Grizfan-24 wrote:
Wed May 23, 2018 1:18 pm
This has been discussed ad naseum, but part of the LG recruiting budget was historically calibrated and part of it self fulfilling.

When your success was defined by recruiting a particular type of player, from a particular place, who is to say that is a poor strategy to keep mining it. There comes an expectation that UM should continue, in face of compelling information to the contrary, to mine the same places. I don’t think Robin was ever complacent, but he was successful in part because for nearly a generation, those Montana girls were enough. They were above replacement players, and not at all a detriment to Big Sky Conference and some national success.

To alter that strategy, requires a substantive recalibration of efforts that may have been outside the scope of the staff and administration to engage upon. To be honest, I don’t know that some of it wouldn’t be possible without a change in direction within the staff.

If you consider how the men’s program has landed the likes of Pridgett, Oguine, Rorie, Anderson and others, you have to look at the types of connections DeCuire had. I don’t know that UM is on the same playing field as those guys without DeCuire. Presence in a region is less important as having coaches who have capital in those regions. Maybe in a few years, Montana can continue to recruit those areas without DeCuire.

If you go back to the football programs recruiting of two places: Hawaii and Florida during the 90’s. Their connections were entirely a product of who the coaches were and their understanding of the actual talent there.

So the women’s program could recruit places in California, metro San Francisco/Oakland, LA or San Diego. They could. They could spend a lot of time and money on places that might not bear fruit for years, with the current staff they have. I just think it would take a significant and concerted shift to go that direction. Just don’t know if they see that as efficient or possible.
With the current staff, the future for the lady griz is probably about what the past has been.

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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by IntuitiveGriz » Wed May 23, 2018 11:34 pm

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Is Fatkin a higher rated recruit than Morales was, coming out of high school? IF so, she is a serious talent. I sure miss having a dominating scorer and overall talent like Morales with the Lady GRIZ.
Good call, mtgrizrule. Morales was something else, a gamer!! :clap:
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Re: Lady Griz Get Big Time Player

Post by WyomingGrizFan » Sat May 26, 2018 10:38 pm

HookedonGriz wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 8:44 pm
WyomingGrizFan wrote:
Sun May 20, 2018 7:50 pm
TrueGriz wrote:
Wed May 16, 2018 3:31 pm
...she indicates is a good player with very good prospects, but still being big time is a little strong.
So, just how many three-star rated 30th best guard in the nation in her class has the Lady Griz recruited in the past thirty of forty years?

http://arizonawildcats.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=5995

http://www.espn.com/high-school/girls-b ... /id/217749
Ding ding ding. This is GOOD PICK UP!
"She (Sam Fatkin) does things you can't teach," (Arizona Head Coach Adia) Barnes said. "Her vision and senses are great on the court. She brings three-point shooting to the table, is very versatile and has good size at the one, two or three positions. I love the way she plays with a chip on her shoulder and I think she is going to be a sleeper because she's very athletic and can play multpile positions."

< http://www.kvoa.com/story/33673541/coac ... ning-class

also, an earlier appraisal: http://asgrbasketball.com/young-pg-lead ... charlotte/

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