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Question regarding Fall Schedule

Me...I’m going to roll up my sleeve, get the shots, put on a mask, grab my drink of choice, and head to Missoula and watch Montana play football. That’s my plan! :thumb:

Go Griz!!
 
PlayerRep said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Except when the vaccine has caused the death. Almost a 1,000 to date. Sure that’s under a .2% death rate vs a less then 1% death rate from covid itself. That’s if you believe they’ve been 100% honest with the cause of death. And as you say, the vaccines can’t keep up with the variations anyway, much like the flu which isn’t, and never will be controlled. The CDC itself says the country only needs a 75% vaccination rate to keep any virus at bay. That means 25% of us should be allowed to have the freedom of choice on not injecting toxins into our body if we do choose not to. To bar people from public events w/out proof of vaccines is a ridiculous stance. As for schools and stuff, there are easy loopholes around those which we are currently exercising with our own daughter.
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I don't think the leading US vaccines have caused any deaths. Feel free to provide your links to the contrary.
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Over 63 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,099 reports of death* (0.0015%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
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Of course the CDC is able to cover their ass with “extensive research” to rule out that the vaccine caused none of these. That’s bull shit.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.
“It may be a coincidence, but we aren’t sure,” Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA), told The BMJ. “There is no certain connection between these deaths and the vaccine.”
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More ass covering.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/90917

After a Miami doctor died this month from an unusual blood disorder just 2 weeks after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, state and federal officials are investigating the case further.

Public health officials at the state and federal level are continuing to investigate Michael's case in relation to the COVID-19 injection, but vaccine experts and hematologists have emphasized that this case is extremely rare, and the coincidental timing of ITP and vaccination doesn't demonstrate causality.
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But the experts say “Don’t worry, it’s rare. And besides, y’all can’t prove causality anyway.

Here’s some articles on other vaccine related deaths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

In another review of 1,266 deaths reported to VAERS from 1990–1997, nearly half of the deaths were due to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) with a peak in 1992–1993 and a decline after the “Back to Sleep” campaign was implemented [20]. The study also found that death reports to VAERS from causes other than SIDS also declined from 1993 to 1996 as the population and the number of vaccines administered increased, which was reassuring. In addition to SIDS, there were multiple causes of death which were not vaccine related, including infectious, congenital, neoplastic, cardiac, and cases with unknown causes due to incomplete information.
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Notice how by acknowledging the deaths openly but saying there’s no causal correlation between them, they can protect themselves and the vaccine makers. It’s also duly noted that they associate these deaths to SIDS while at the same time, there’s no known cause for SIDS besides that the “baby can’t wake up properly”.

Although the evidence supports the safety of vaccines, there are rare instances where causal relationships between vaccination and death have been established or a plausible theoretical risk exists.
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This is where they admit known possibly fatal issues with vaccines.

1) Anaphylaxis following vaccination
2) Severely immunocompromised persons receiving live vaccines
3) Intussusception after rotavirus vaccine
4) Syncope (fainting) after vaccination leading to head trauma and death(I’ll agree, this ones a stretch)
5) Yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic and neurologic disease
6) Complications from smallpox vaccine
7) Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis from oral poliovirus vaccine
8) Guillain–Barré syndrome after seasonal and 2009 H1N1 (pandemic) inactivated influenza vaccines
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It’s not too hard to find more articles with a quick google search if you’re truly interested in learning the risks of vaccines. Or you could just continue to line up like sheep and take your shots like a good little boy.
 
Great post, Bama. When a completely healthy Hank Aaron keeled over within a week of his first shot, I said “no mas”. No bueno. No shots for me.
 
nzone said:
Me...I’m going to roll up my sleeve, get the shots, put on a mask, grab my drink of choice, and head to Missoula and watch Montana play football. That’s my plan! :thumb:

Go Griz!!
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I'm with you!

I'm pretty impartial to vaccines but I'd let them give me the needle 10 times if it meant people stop losing their minds and we get back to normal! :thumb:
 
alabamagrizzly said:
PlayerRep said:
Shot records are required for kids to attend schools, subject to certain exceptions, like religions, in some states.

Shot records are required to get kids into man daycares.

Shot records are required to get pets into many pet babysitters.

Shots are required to enter, or maybe return from, certain countries. I think.
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Answer me this please. Are the vaccinated not safe from the unvaccinated?
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Pretty sure it is the unvaccinated not safe from the other unvaccinated that is the crux of the issue.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
alabamagrizzly said:
Answer me this please. Are the vaccinated not safe from the unvaccinated?
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Pretty sure it is the unvaccinated not safe from the other unvaccinated that is the crux of the issue.
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I suspect those choosing NOT to be vaccinated will be the minority.

That said, the unvaccinated is only a threat to other unvaccinated if they have the virus. Which as of today is about 9% of the population. Seems like a miniscule threat to me. :?
 
nzone said:
Me...I’m going to roll up my sleeve, get the shots, put on a mask, grab my drink of choice, and head to Missoula and watch Montana play football. That’s my plan! :thumb:

Go Griz!!
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Ahh, what is keeping the Missoula County Health Dept. from keeping Missoula shut down? .
 
I was vaccinated by my body's immune response to the actual virus. Only drug manufacturer stockholders and big brother politicians benefit from someone like me getting the shot(s).

I personally know many people who had the virus and got the shots and report the illness following vaccination was worse than the virus.

If you don't want to risk being exposed to the virus, stay the f*ck home, don't let anyone in, and do whatever else blows your hair back to try to stay "safe." It's (or it used to be) a free country.
 
MikeyGriz said:
PlayerRep said:
Shot records are required for kids to attend schools, subject to certain exceptions, like religions, in some states.
What if I've already been infected? Don't need the shot.

Shot records are required to get kids into man daycares.
Same as above, plus only applies to state licensed and regulated daycares.

Shot records are required to get pets into many pet babysitters.
Who cares ? Doesn't apply, or what else do you want to follow that pet babysitters do?

Shots are required to enter, or maybe return from, certain countries. I think.
Other countries don't allow many freedom of choices that we do.
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Measles, mumps, chicken pox, etc. vs covid. Difference between bacterial vs viral.
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Those are all viruses.

"Chickenpox is a highly contagious disease caused by the varicella-zoster virus (VZV)." https://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/about/transmission.html#:~:text=Chickenpox%20is%20a%20highly%20contagious,disease%20or%20never%20been%20vaccinated.

"Measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella are serious diseases caused by viruses spread from person to person through the air or by skin to skin contact." https://www.mottchildren.org/health-library/d05645a1

"FACT: The coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is caused by a virus, NOT by bacteria." https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=RxY4YNr5Kc24-gTZiaXYBQ&iflsig=AINFCbYAAAAAYDgkVyuoUXXBLnjlywL3iLG6cxmVovcu&q=is+covid+a+virus&oq=is+covid+a+virus&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgM6CAgAELEDEIMBOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6BQgAELEDOggILhCxAxCDAToICC4QxwEQowI6BQguELEDOgUIABDJAzoFCAAQkgM6CAgAELEDEMkDUKLeDFjT-gxg3v0MaABwAHgAgAGiAYgBjxCSAQQxLjE1mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpeg&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwiaud2P_YXvAhVNnJ4KHdlECVsQ4dUDCAg&uact=5
 
alabamagrizzly said:
PlayerRep said:
I don't think the leading US vaccines have caused any deaths. Feel free to provide your links to the contrary.
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Over 63 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,099 reports of death* (0.0015%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine.
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Of course the CDC is able to cover their ass with “extensive research” to rule out that the vaccine caused none of these. That’s bull shit.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.
“It may be a coincidence, but we aren’t sure,” Steinar Madsen, medical director of the Norwegian Medicines Agency (NOMA), told The BMJ. “There is no certain connection between these deaths and the vaccine.”
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More ass covering.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/90917

After a Miami doctor died this month from an unusual blood disorder just 2 weeks after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine, state and federal officials are investigating the case further.

Public health officials at the state and federal level are continuing to investigate Michael's case in relation to the COVID-19 injection, but vaccine experts and hematologists have emphasized that this case is extremely rare, and the coincidental timing of ITP and vaccination doesn't demonstrate causality.
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But the experts say “Don’t worry, it’s rare. And besides, y’all can’t prove causality anyway.

Here’s some articles on other vaccine related deaths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/

In another review of 1,266 deaths reported to VAERS from 1990–1997, nearly half of the deaths were due to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) with a peak in 1992–1993 and a decline after the “Back to Sleep” campaign was implemented [20]. The study also found that death reports to VAERS from causes other than SIDS also declined from 1993 to 1996 as the population and the number of vaccines administered increased, which was reassuring. In addition to SIDS, there were multiple causes of death which were not vaccine related, including infectious, congenital, neoplastic, cardiac, and cases with unknown causes due to incomplete information.
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Notice how by acknowledging the deaths openly but saying there’s no causal correlation between them, they can protect themselves and the vaccine makers. It’s also duly noted that they associate these deaths to SIDS while at the same time, there’s no known cause for SIDS besides that the “baby can’t wake up properly”.

Although the evidence supports the safety of vaccines, there are rare instances where causal relationships between vaccination and death have been established or a plausible theoretical risk exists.
Click to expand...

This is where they admit known possibly fatal issues with vaccines.

1) Anaphylaxis following vaccination
2) Severely immunocompromised persons receiving live vaccines
3) Intussusception after rotavirus vaccine
4) Syncope (fainting) after vaccination leading to head trauma and death(I’ll agree, this ones a stretch)
5) Yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic and neurologic disease
6) Complications from smallpox vaccine
7) Vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis from oral poliovirus vaccine
8) Guillain–Barré syndrome after seasonal and 2009 H1N1 (pandemic) inactivated influenza vaccines
Click to expand...

It’s not too hard to find more articles with a quick google search if you’re truly interested in learning the risks of vaccines. Or you could just continue to line up like sheep and take your shots like a good little boy.
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Not one of your links says that a covid vaccine caused a death. None. See below for multiple links saying no death has been caused by a covid vaccine.

Yes, people die from time to time of various things.

Yes, other vaccines have caused death.

Just because it always snows around Christmas doesn't mean that Christmas causes it to show.

"Fact check: No links found between vaccination and deaths." https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

"Answering your COVID questions: ‘Has anyone died from a COVID shot?’
No, say HamCo Public Health medical director, CDC". https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

"Fact-check: No link between COVID-19 vaccines and those who die after receiving them
The CDC hasn't identified any cases in which a vaccine caused a person's death". https://abcnews.go.com/Health/post-vaccination-deaths-dont-covid-19-vaccine-deadly/story?id=75524209
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
I was vaccinated by my body's immune response to the actual virus. Only drug manufacturer stockholders and big brother politicians benefit from someone like me getting the shot(s).

I personally know many people who had the virus and got the shots and report the illness following vaccination was worse than the virus.

If you don't want to risk being exposed to the virus, stay the f*ck home, don't let anyone in, and do whatever else blows your hair back to try to stay "safe." It's (or it used to be) a free country.
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Or, if you don't want to risk giving someone the virus or risk getting the virus, and don't want to wear a mask or wear as mask, why don't you stay home?
 
AZGrizFan said:
Great post, Bama. When a completely healthy Hank Aaron keeled over within a week of his first shot, I said “no mas”. No bueno. No shots for me.
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"Hank Aaron's cause of death has been revealed days after he died.

The baseball legend and Hall of Famer died of natural causes, an investigator with the Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office tells PEOPLE on Monday."

https://people.com/sports/hank-aaron-cause-of-death-revealed/
 
PlayerRep said:
alabamagrizzly said:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html



Of course the CDC is able to cover their ass with “extensive research” to rule out that the vaccine caused none of these. That’s bull shit.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149



More ass covering.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/90917



But the experts say “Don’t worry, it’s rare. And besides, y’all can’t prove causality anyway.

Here’s some articles on other vaccine related deaths.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/



Notice how by acknowledging the deaths openly but saying there’s no causal correlation between them, they can protect themselves and the vaccine makers. It’s also duly noted that they associate these deaths to SIDS while at the same time, there’s no known cause for SIDS besides that the “baby can’t wake up properly”.



This is where they admit known possibly fatal issues with vaccines.



It’s not too hard to find more articles with a quick google search if you’re truly interested in learning the risks of vaccines. Or you could just continue to line up like sheep and take your shots like a good little boy.
Click to expand...

Not one of your links says that a covid vaccine caused a death. None. See below for multiple links saying no death has been caused by a covid vaccine.

Yes, people die from time to time of various things.

Yes, other vaccines have caused death.

Just because it always snows around Christmas doesn't mean that Christmas causes it to show.

"Fact check: No links found between vaccination and deaths." https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

"Answering your COVID questions: ‘Has anyone died from a COVID shot?’
No, say HamCo Public Health medical director, CDC". https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

"Fact-check: No link between COVID-19 vaccines and those who die after receiving them
The CDC hasn't identified any cases in which a vaccine caused a person's death". https://abcnews.go.com/Health/post-vaccination-deaths-dont-covid-19-vaccine-deadly/story?id=75524209
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thanks, greenie, you saved me from writing a long missive about how misleading, to the point of being absurd, bambam's post was. his links, too. were. he obviously never played the game.
 
argh! said:
PlayerRep said:
Not one of your links says that a covid vaccine caused a death. None. See below for multiple links saying no death has been caused by a covid vaccine.

Yes, people die from time to time of various things.

Yes, other vaccines have caused death.

Just because it always snows around Christmas doesn't mean that Christmas causes it to show.

"Fact check: No links found between vaccination and deaths." https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

"Answering your COVID questions: ‘Has anyone died from a COVID shot?’
No, say HamCo Public Health medical director, CDC". https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

"Fact-check: No link between COVID-19 vaccines and those who die after receiving them
The CDC hasn't identified any cases in which a vaccine caused a person's death". https://abcnews.go.com/Health/post-vaccination-deaths-dont-covid-19-vaccine-deadly/story?id=75524209
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thanks, greenie, you saved me from writing a long missive about how misleading, to the point of being absurd, bambam's post was. his links, too. were. he obviously never played the game.
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Wrong again PR. What they say is there’s no causal correlation between the vaccines and death. You obviously never studied statistics. All that means is that the shots don’t normally cause death. It definitely doesn’t mean they can’t rarely cause death which most other vaccines do, which you already admitted. For one, the covid vaccines certainly have not been researched any where nearly long enough to determine all their possible side effects, death being included. The CDC’s other golden ticket to deny any causality is there’s “not enough information”. This is their easy way out to keep from admitting that the covid vaccine can rarely cause a fatality by the many different ways that other vaccines cause fatalities which they admit from their own website. I believe someone believing 100% that the covid vaccine won’t kill anyone, must have some amazing blinders on.

Please don’t let me talk anyone out of getting the vaccine though because, as the CDC says, if enough of you get it, they won’t have to force the rest of us to get it so I thank you for your sacrifice.
 
PlayerRep said:
AZGrizFan said:
Great post, Bama. When a completely healthy Hank Aaron keeled over within a week of his first shot, I said “no mas”. No bueno. No shots for me.
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"Hank Aaron's cause of death has been revealed days after he died.

The baseball legend and Hall of Famer died of natural causes, an investigator with the Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office tells PEOPLE on Monday."

https://people.com/sports/hank-aaron-cause-of-death-revealed/
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What a great covid vaccine puff piece. You do know what “natural causes” means right? That means they rule out any external force that caused the death. That means any internal cause can be a natural causes. Hank was already known to have hypertension issues. It’s also widely known that covid has a worse effect on people with blood pressure issues. Hank was living fine with his issues, gets the vaccine, and two weeks later dies of natural causes. Thank goodness for the pharmaceutical companies making billions of the vaccine though that there’s “not enough information” to prove a link.
 
argh! said:
thanks, greenie, you saved me from writing a long missive about how misleading, to the point of being absurd, bambam's post was. his links, too. were. he obviously never played the game.
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Please write your long missive post anyway, unless you have something better to do. Are you sure you haven’t already been mislead? Anyway, also, thanks for the clever nickname. Now I actually feel like somebody on eGriz.
 
alabamagrizzly said:
argh! said:
thanks, greenie, you saved me from writing a long missive about how misleading, to the point of being absurd, bambam's post was. his links, too. were. he obviously never played the game.
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All that means is that the shots don’t normally cause death.
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not a fan of the cdc, but have you considered who has been vaccinated first? you know, older people, who mysteriously somehow die from various causes earlier than younger people?
 
horribilisfan8184 said:
I was vaccinated by my body's immune response to the actual virus. Only drug manufacturer stockholders and big brother politicians benefit from someone like me getting the shot(s).

I personally know many people who had the virus and got the shots and report the illness following vaccination was worse than the virus.

If you don't want to risk being exposed to the virus, stay the f*ck home, don't let anyone in, and do whatever else blows your hair back to try to stay "safe." It's (or it used to be) a free country.
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Guess we should've let those get polio who wanted it. ;)
 
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