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Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?
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Dillon
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So you are saying it is OK to touch your face, nose, eyes & definitely don't be washing your hands more often than not! I really don't understand why folks don't believe something just because it is on Fox News. I just don't understand some of you people! All networks seem to fudge when it comes to politics which is very unfortunate & SAD these days!EverettGriz said:
Here is an article from NYT pretty relevant to this discussion:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=672375153&imp_id=122884693&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer
My only comment is remember that it aint over till it's over.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus.html?algo=top_conversion&fellback=false&imp_id=672375153&imp_id=122884693&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article®ion=Footer
My only comment is remember that it aint over till it's over.
IdaGriz01
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Here's another article about the same topic, without the NYT pop-up/sign-up stuff.mcg said:
http://my.earthlink.net/channel/news/article/top?guid=20200329/9634fb2d-5704-48a9-b28e-b55f7b0e40eb
EverettGriz said:
He says you have to be around people for an extended period of time. He doesn't say you can be around them if they are coughing and sneezing. There is nothing he said that is abnormal in any way that would spread the disease.
I'm interested in knowing what sites you consider "reputable". I have fought off colds, flu's, and maybe even Covid, who knows what with strong Immune building blocks like Vitamin C, D, E, Zinc etc. I have killed illnesses off with Vitamin C.
Dillon said:
Wait, what?? Where did you get the idea I believe the virus cannot spread from your hands by touching your nose, eyes or mouth??
The part that’s dangerous was his claim that you need to be around an infected person for a lengthy period of time to catch the virus.
And fwiw, I didn’t believe this gentlemen because he was on fox. I didn’t believe him because he’s wrong.
wbtfg
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TCCGRIZ said:
Here’s an article outlining many of our missed opportunities to slow down this virus. Shutting down travel from China bought us some time, but this report suggests we didn’t take optimal advantage of that extra time.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster
Cuervohola said:
Harvard Medical School: https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
Factcheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/fake-coronavirus-cures-part-3-vitamin-c-isnt-a-shield/
Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2020/03/29/no-megadoses-of-vitamin-c-will-not-cure-coronavirus/#2bd679fa1a4a
Medicine.net: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228745
Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/09/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/
The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/us/who-we-are
Mens Health: https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a31337322/vitamin-c-coronavirus/
Medical Daily: https://www.medicaldaily.com/no-vitamin-c-supplements-wont-protect-covid-19-450380
Technology Inquirer Mediacal: https://technology.inquirer.net/96111/vitamin-c-prevents-but-doesnt-cure-diseases-like-coronavirus-medic
Vitaminwiki: https://vitamindwiki.com/COVID-19+Coronavirus+can+most+likely+be+fought+by+Vitamin+D
iflscience: https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/
Scienews: https://www.scienews.com/medicine/11687-myths-about-covid-2019-is-it-possible-to-treat-the-coronavirus-makedon.html
I could go on and on, but essentially all of the articles say the same thing. The point is, there is absolutely no proof that V-C works as a cure. Certainly there is evidence that it supports and strengthens your immune system, but the CDC says that the vast majority of Americans get well above the recommended limit in their daily diet and do not need supplements to promote that level of support.
And yes, China experimented on a few cases by intravenously injecting large quantities of liquid V-C into Covid patients, with apparent success. But there are two problems: The first is that there was no control test associated with the experiment. Would injecting those patients with large quantities of water or saline had the same effect? We simply don't know. And the second, and more troubling, problem is that it would be impossible for the average person to take enough V-C to have an impact. So we need to be careful when we say V-C can be a cure, because then Joe Public goes to Super Supplements, buys a bottle of vitamin C, and believes he's bullet proof.
EverettGriz said:
Harvard Medical School: https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
Factcheck.org: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/02/fake-coronavirus-cures-part-3-vitamin-c-isnt-a-shield/
Forbes: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2020/03/29/no-megadoses-of-vitamin-c-will-not-cure-coronavirus/#2bd679fa1a4a
Medicine.net: https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=228745
Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/03/09/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/
The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/us/who-we-are
Mens Health: https://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/a31337322/vitamin-c-coronavirus/
Medical Daily: https://www.medicaldaily.com/no-vitamin-c-supplements-wont-protect-covid-19-450380
Technology Inquirer Mediacal: https://technology.inquirer.net/96111/vitamin-c-prevents-but-doesnt-cure-diseases-like-coronavirus-medic
Vitaminwiki: https://vitamindwiki.com/COVID-19+Coronavirus+can+most+likely+be+fought+by+Vitamin+D
iflscience: https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/coronavirus-its-time-to-debunk-claims-that-vitamin-c-could-cure-it/
Scienews: https://www.scienews.com/medicine/11687-myths-about-covid-2019-is-it-possible-to-treat-the-coronavirus-makedon.html
I could go on and on, but essentially all of the articles say the same thing. The point is, there is absolutely no proof that V-C works as a cure. Certainly there is evidence that it supports and strengthens your immune system, but the CDC says that the vast majority of Americans get well above the recommended limit in their daily diet and do not need supplements to promote that level of support.
And yes, China experimented on a few cases by intravenously injecting large quantities of liquid V-C into Covid patients, with apparent success. But there are two problems: The first is that there was no control test associated with the experiment. Would injecting those patients with large quantities of water or saline had the same effect? We simply don't know. And the second, and more troubling, problem is that it would be impossible for the average person to take enough V-C to have an impact. So we need to be careful when we say V-C can be a cure, because then Joe Public goes to Super Supplements, buys a bottle of vitamin C, and believes he's bullet proof.
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Ok..
Harvard Med... Pharma
Factcheck... Absoulutely no credibility
Forbes...
Medicine.net... Pharma
Snopes... Absolutely no credibility
The Conversation... Pharma
Mens Health... Pharma
Medical Daily... Pharma
Technology Inquirer Medical... Pharma
Vitaminwiki... Pharma
iflscience...
Scienews...
Notice a common thread? The only ones I didn't answer I would need to dig more. There is absolutely no truth that people can get the recommended vitamins and nutrients from their food. IF they have a completely controlled environment with no pollution, pesticides, etc., AND eat raw or very lightly steam their crops right away, maybe.
That doesn't apply to 99 percent of people. We get our crops from soil depleted fields or from stores with nutrient depleted crops because the nutrients start to leave the crops as soon as they are picked. Flash frozen is very helpful, in many opinions. The point is, you need vitamin supplementation, the problem is, most of those brands are complete garbage, so you need good lab testing along with knowing what the ingredients are etc.
Your control test idea would be valid if not for your choices of water and saline. Of course they aren't doing any control tests because of the situation, and because they will never do control tests with Vitamin C because it directly replaces drugs. It's obvious in this situation and in every other viral (Cold, Flu) situation. There is absolute proof and it isn't anecdotal.
Pharma is STILL steaming about the fact there is no drugs and vaccines for Scurvy. That's as simple as it gets. Those are your sources.
Wow.
Mmmmmkay then...
Mmmmmkay then...
Follow the Money.
The Vitamin C Cartel doesn't advertise on every single mainstream news source 24/7.
The Vitamin C Cartel doesn't advertise on every single mainstream news source 24/7.
Washgrizfan1
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Edit, another poster pointed out mistake. Thank you.
"Dr. Fauci Was a Basketball Captain. Now He’s America’s Point Guard. "
"The basketball team at Regis High School had a 1-16 record as the players entered a rival’s gym in the winter of 1958 fully expecting to leave with yet another loss. The other team’s star was a future NBA coach who would one day run the New York Knicks. Regis was led by a diminutive future doctor who would one day run the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
“Nobody gave us a chance,” said John Zeman, a Regis alumnus. “Everyone figured it was going to be a blowout.”
But there was one teenager who looked at this demoralizing collection of data and came to a wildly optimistic conclusion.
“Tony said no,” he said. “We’re going to win this game. And we did.”
Tony, the team captain better known as Fauch, a short kid with a thick Brooklyn accent who led his overmatched team to a highly improbable victory in the biggest game of his life, now answers to a name that most Americans have come to recognize: Dr. Anthony Fauci.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dr-fauci-was-a-basketball-captain-now-hes-americas-point-guard-11585479601?mod=hp_featst_pos1 paywall
"The basketball team at Regis High School had a 1-16 record as the players entered a rival’s gym in the winter of 1958 fully expecting to leave with yet another loss. The other team’s star was a future NBA coach who would one day run the New York Knicks. Regis was led by a diminutive future doctor who would one day run the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
“Nobody gave us a chance,” said John Zeman, a Regis alumnus. “Everyone figured it was going to be a blowout.”
But there was one teenager who looked at this demoralizing collection of data and came to a wildly optimistic conclusion.
“Tony said no,” he said. “We’re going to win this game. And we did.”
Tony, the team captain better known as Fauch, a short kid with a thick Brooklyn accent who led his overmatched team to a highly improbable victory in the biggest game of his life, now answers to a name that most Americans have come to recognize: Dr. Anthony Fauci.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/dr-fauci-was-a-basketball-captain-now-hes-americas-point-guard-11585479601?mod=hp_featst_pos1 paywall
Washgrizfan1 said:
none of those citations are from cuervohla. cuervohola dismissed them all as worthless, or likely to be worthless. read the original post, with cuervohola's response. he wrote, for instance, that harvard's info can't be trusted because he believes them to be linked to big pharma.
sorry about the double post.
