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Who should Haslam target for the New HC since BK only has a one year contract

Almost no Griz fan or supporter who was an important supporter or financial booster thought what you said in your 3d para., to my knowledge. I know a number of those guys, and not one of them thought anything remotely like that. The ones I know fully supported and liked Bobby. In fact, some are very disappointed that he retired. The team had a terrific season.

Haslam made a big mistake hiring Stitt. I assume he and the top supporters recall that huge mistake.

I hope some of these demanding people are not going to end up getting what they wished for, i.e. a Nebraska situation or another Stitt.

I wonder if financial support for the program is going to get harder now that Bobby is gone. I don't see BK, or Haslam, being able to call these guys and be effective in getting them to put up more money, like Bobby could. Of course, these big hitters will still support the program under BK, but I just don't see them stepping up big time or for special things like they seem to have been doing when Bobby was around. And, I know what one of the biggest supporters quite well and have talked to him.

While I assume the new coach and staff will do well or fairly well, especially given what Bobby has said to some of my friends about what he believes the quality of the new recruits and team will be for next year.

In recent years in FCS, the Portal/NIL (both in and out) and the movement of coaches at top programs have impacted the top teams considerably. This has created opportunities which hadn't been there before. Obviously, NDSU has not turned out to be unbeatable in the last several years. Coaches have moved on. MSU has held on without going big in the Portal, but their QB was the key to their team's success last season. I don't see MSU being able to sustain that model, and I assume their coach will depart. He's tried to depart the past 2 years. The QB injury to SDSU impacted its season greatly. The Portal has hurt the Dakota schools. So far, the Portal is helping UM more than it's hurting it. And there's a significant amount of luck each season, including luck with injuries and ball bounces at key times.

My view is that BK or any new UM coach is not going to be the answer to winning a national championship as much as these other factors mentioned in the prior para, which will have a bigger impact on that.

Elevating BK quickly and keeping the remaining staff and hopefully keeping the good group of players already assembled was clearly the way to go, and to keep up the success and momentum.

The vocal fanbase on egriz, which, in my view, is not a reflection of what the full fan base of UM believes, has become way too demanding and unrealistic. I loved AZGriz's comment asking whether someone was saying they wanted/demanded BK to have more and better success than Bobby had been able to achieve in 5 or so years.

I wonder what the combined annual financial contributions to football of all of the egriz posters who have become so demanding, is. My guess is that it is pretty small. Big mouths, small wallets.
I think you make a lot of good points. I hear all sorts of stuff from different people at different levels in the program/fanbase. Everybody has an agenda (even me, as much as I probably would deny it). Whose opinions are valid or not is not really up for me to say. I certainly feel like there's more tension from people I normally don't hear tension from.

A lot of people bring up Nebraska, and I think it's certainly a fair comparison. We don't want that.

What I want to happen vs. what I think will or might happen are two different things. I clearly want BK to kill it and make this whole discussion moot. The easiest and best thing for us going forward would be for him to continue and even improve on what Bobby had been doing.

But with all the uncertainty coming with the new president and potentially a new AD, I could see it getting to a point where unless the staff really blows it away, even a decent season could prompt them to decide to hit the reset button, simply because if there is ever going to be a time to do it, it would be next year.

And maybe you're right that it's not worth worrying about what people on here or online think. I just find it kind of odd that people who were moaning and wailing weeks ago gnashing their teeth that Bobby needs to win it all or he should be gone are suddenly much more okay with something less than that from what's basically the same staff, regardless of whatever changes in scheme, recruiting, etc. they decide to make.
 
It all boils down to the losses coming to The cats which have caused GRIZ nation to go bat shit crazy! Fans and donors can’t handle losing to the rival which has made expectations sky high. GRIZ have made huge strides in catching up to the DSUs however the cats have been a step ahead. This has led to fans complaining about
1. Haucks coaching abilities
2. Instate recruiting
3. Defensive scheme
4. Using portal too much
5. Anything less than 28 point victory

Kennedy deserves full support and given the same leeway a new coach with new staff would be given. Expecting a national championship appearance in year one is crazy.
Lost in all this is how many players graduated, team gpa that was near the top of the conference every year, lack of arrests by players and coaches, the players who won national awards athletically and academically, and players who gave stem cells and the awareness for that process spearheaded by Hauck and his teams. Also Hauck being President of the coaches association.

Don’t let 3 losses to the cats blind you of the immense success the Montana program has had for several years!!
My .5 cents worth.
 
It all boils down to the losses coming to The cats which have caused GRIZ nation to go bat shit crazy! Fans and donors can’t handle losing to the rival which has made expectations sky high. GRIZ have made huge strides in catching up to the DSUs however the cats have been a step ahead. This has led to fans complaining about
1. Haucks coaching abilities
2. Instate recruiting
3. Defensive scheme
4. Using portal too much
5. Anything less than 28 point victory

Kennedy deserves full support and given the same leeway a new coach with new staff would be given. Expecting a national championship appearance in year one is crazy.
Lost in all this is how many players graduated, team gpa that was near the top of the conference every year, lack of arrests by players and coaches, the players who won national awards athletically and academically, and players who gave stem cells and the awareness for that process spearheaded by Hauck and his teams. Also Hauck being President of the coaches association.

Don’t let 3 losses to the cats blind you of the immense success the Montana program has had for several years!!
My .5 cents worth.
Small or tiny or nothing donors.
 
didn't you say that you don't donate anything directly to griz football?
No, I never said that. Nor have I said I was a big supporter who has influence over Griz football. I may have said I’m not into NIL, although I have donated some at times.
 
Frank Solich was fired for going 9-3 at Nebraska.
Kind of a similar situation as Solich was picked to take over a legend. How did firing Solich go for Nebraska? Bo Pelini also was let go from Nebraska after a 9-3 season. That went arguably even worse than the aftermath of firing Solich.
 

This is the top thread currently on the Nebraska message board.
 
Kind of a similar situation as Solich was picked to take over a legend. How did firing Solich go for Nebraska? Bo Pelini also was let go from Nebraska after a 9-3 season. That went arguably even worse than the aftermath of firing Solich.
I think comparing the firing of Frank Solich/Bo Pelini to a potential firing of Bobby Hauck after this season, had he stuck around and gone something like 9-3, would have been a pretty fair comparison.

"Firing" Bobby Kennedy, who has no history of success (or any kind) as a head coach, after such a season when he's only on a one-year contract is not the same thing.

I get the fear, but we don't have to be Nebraska, guys.

Again, I'm speaking hypothetically to a potential coaching change that hinges on the outcome of this season, but we could also be Georgia after the fired Mark Richt and hired Kirby Smart, or LSU after they fired Les Miles and hired Ed Orgeron, or Ohio State after they fired John Cooper and hired Jim Tressel.

I feel like I don't even need to point out how much the neighbors have enjoyed a complete cultural overhaul after firing their winningest coach.

Let's wait and see what happens with Kennedy, but we don't have to already resign from making hard decisions if it needs to happen next year.
 
I think comparing the firing of Frank Solich/Bo Pelini to a potential firing of Bobby Hauck after this season, had he stuck around and gone something like 9-3, would have been a pretty fair comparison.

"Firing" Bobby Kennedy, who has no history of success (or any kind) as a head coach, after such a season when he's only on a one-year contract is not the same thing.

I get the fear, but we don't have to be Nebraska, guys.

Again, I'm speaking hypothetically to a potential coaching change that hinges on the outcome of this season, but we could also be Georgia after the fired Mark Richt and hired Kirby Smart, or LSU after they fired Les Miles and hired Ed Orgeron, or Ohio State after they fired John Cooper and hired Jim Tressel.

I feel like I don't even need to point out how much the neighbors have enjoyed a complete cultural overhaul after firing their winningest coach.

Let's wait and see what happens with Kennedy, but we don't have to already resign from making hard decisions if it needs to happen next year.
Frank Solich’s experience before becoming the head coach at Nebraska was also only as running backs coach but he was who Tom Osborne wanted so he was who they hired.
 
Frank Solich’s experience before becoming the head coach at Nebraska was also only as running backs coach but he was who Tom Osborne wanted so he was who they hired.
Yeah, and then he coached for 6 years where his success waned. The circumstances are not the same, unless we stick with Kennedy for 6 seasons and also see less success.

Hell, John Cooper at Ohio State might be an even better comp for us right now (to what Hauck brought us). Was a little up and down with some great seasons, but went 2-10-1 vs. Michigan during his tenure and never could get over the hump.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I very much view Kennedy and staff as an extension of the previous staff (at least until they prove that things will be markedly different). The continuity was essentially the entire reason he was promoted.

There is surely no guarantee changing the entire program would be a good or bad thing, but exclusively viewing this as our "becoming Nebraska" when there are plenty of examples of the opposite seems shortsighted, to me.

I guess I'll drop it since it's still pretty far away, and hopefully we don't even have to consider it.
 
If we fire a coach who said he wants to retire at UM after 1 season going to the playoffs, UM will become a joke to other fan bases as well as potential coaches. We don’t have the millions Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule to get coaches to come here. What was being proposed with Bobby Hauck was Kent Haslem telling him to retire after next season after coaching the Griz for 15 seasons and the most recent 7 seasons, which was never going to happen but it is a hypothetical. The optics of that to people outside the program are way different than firing a coach after one season who said he wants to be here for the rest of his career.
 
If we fire a coach who said he wants to retire at UM after 1 season going to the playoffs, UM will become a joke to other fan bases as well as potential coaches. We don’t have the millions Nebraska is paying Matt Rhule to get coaches to come here. What was being proposed with Bobby Hauck was Kent Haslem telling him to retire after next season after coaching the Griz for 15 seasons and the most recent 7 seasons, which was never going to happen but it is a hypothetical. The optics of that to people outside the program are way different than firing a coach after one season who said he wants to be here for the rest of his career.
I think you're projecting here, I don't think the optics would be bad at all. If they had given him a 3-year contract and then fired him after one year, sure, but Halsam was very up front that he's going to be evaluated at the end of the year. I like coach Kennedy, but if the program and new leadership want a new direction for the school/football program, I don't think the fact that he said he wants this to be his last job means much of anything.
 
Yeah, and then he coached for 6 years where his success waned. The circumstances are not the same, unless we stick with Kennedy for 6 seasons and also see less success.

Hell, John Cooper at Ohio State might be an even better comp for us right now (to what Hauck brought us). Was a little up and down with some great seasons, but went 2-10-1 vs. Michigan during his tenure and never could get over the hump.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I very much view Kennedy and staff as an extension of the previous staff (at least until they prove that things will be markedly different). The continuity was essentially the entire reason he was promoted.

There is surely no guarantee changing the entire program would be a good or bad thing, but exclusively viewing this as our "becoming Nebraska" when there are plenty of examples of the opposite seems shortsighted, to me.

I guess I'll drop it since it's still pretty far away, and hopefully we don't even have to consider it.
What if Bobby Kennedy says he is going to change some of the staff next season would you want to retain him? I assume that would be the case unless the team does as well or better than this past season.
 
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