HikeGlacier
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87 and 95 yards. Is it an ineffective defensive scheme or a lack of team speed?
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The two longest passing TDs of the 2025 NCAA Football Season Occurred Against Montana
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5280Griz
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They were from coverage busts at critical moments. Saying it is from scheme or speed only is lazy. In the case of the Goering catch Montana has just been stuffed on fourth and goal. On the very next snap SDSU came out in a play they had confidence in, a shot pass off play action that hit a linebacker in his eyes in the wrong place and a receiver who made a great play after the catch. Montana's defenders bounced off each other in coverage and lost leverage on the route, which let Goering slip into open grass, the defender nearest home lost the angle and couldn't rally to make the tackle, so what would have been a 10-15 yard gain turned into a 95 yard score. The scheme and leverage put our guys in tough spots. Montana's defense had some struggles getting proper cushion and fit on horizontal and crossing routes.
We gave up chunk gains before teams got vertical. This indicates our defense wasn't always fitting to numbers and eyes were late reading the route concepts. Poor execution was ultimately what led to these explosives which I already covered in another thread where someone was complaining our defensive backs are too slow. These big pass plays we gave up on defense were about execution related to alignment, leverage and reading keys.
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Ut-Grizfan
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We were doing that and giving up 3rd and 20s with bad and busted coverage in our 15th game of the season. Sounds like a scheme and coaching issue.
5280Griz
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I think it is an execution issue, starting with our defensive line being dented due to being outsized which puts the linebackers and secondary in poor position. I think poor strength and conditioning/lack of player development up front is the root issue.
Once again a bullshit post. Jesus do a 5 minute google search before you post. Even in FCS just look at Ty Pennington threw an 88 yard pass vs Southern Utah and Tommy Rittenshouse from Illinois St had a 93 yarder vs UC Davus in playoffs.
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Ut-Grizfan
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So giving up the longest TD pass (95 yards) and the 4th (87) is somehow better?Once again a bullshit post. Jesus do a 5 minute google search before you post. Even in FCS just look at Ty Pennington threw an 88 yard pass vs Southern Utah and Tommy Rittenshouse from Illinois St had a 93 yarder vs UC Davus in playoffs.
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They are neither the first or 4th. Look at chart. I don't know FCS longest plays but those are two I remembered so I looked them up. I am saying if you are going to use stats don't make shit up.
Ut-Grizfan
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I mean using those stats both are still in the top 15 in longest pass TDs given up when compared to FBS schools and from what we know from the FCS info you've shared we would have given up the 1st and 4th longest. Exaggeration on his part doesn't change the fact that it's a club that we do not want to belong to and bare minimum based on the knowledge that you've shared/we have as of now we have 2 in the top 5 at the FCS level.
5280Griz
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Who cares where they are on all time plays? They were big plays the Griz gave up and it is a lazy take to say it is just from scheme or speed instead looking into why the players are slower, smaller and not executing as well. It all comes back to strength and conditioning. I think it is worth looking into other defensive schemes. I wrote a post previously on why I think that the 4-2-5 would be beneficial but ultimately I think strength and conditioning is a far bigger issue than the scheme.
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Ut-Grizfan
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I only harp on the scheme because we have been told repeatedly it is difficult to learn, seems to rely on a unicorn at NT with lock down CBs and dependent on LBs generating pressure. Poor coaching is when we're still taking bad angles, getting sucked in off the edge and busting coverages in the 15th game of the season.
Combine that with the deficiencies you have described in the crazy transfer portal era and it's no wonder we've been having issues on that side of the ball for the last 2 years.
Yes but two separate plays. No not something to be proud or hang your hat on. Mason hit receiver right in stride and DB took a bad angle and fell. Griz defense played really well after that. The one vs the Cats was really on a scramble drill and Lamson made a great play but it was total breakdown and really ended the game. I think the Griz secondary when healthy was pretty good but young. Still were 2nd in FCS in interceptions.
HikeGlacier
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Some funny stuff trying to defend the defense giving up big plays. Montana owns the list for the most big plats given up. Here's some more:Once again a bullshit post. Jesus do a 5 minute google search before you post. Even in FCS just look at Ty Pennington threw an 88 yard pass vs Southern Utah and Tommy Rittenshouse from Illinois St had a 93 yarder vs UC Davus in playoffs.
2025 NCAA College Football Longest Pass Leaders & Stats - Passing Stats | FOX Sports
View 2025 NCAA College Football Longest Pass leaders and Passing stats.
UND - Fleming,BJ 82 yd pass from Kaminski,Jerry ( ) 2 plays, 84 yards, TOP 00:47
SAC - Campbell, Ernest 63 yd pass from Williams,Cardell (Meadors,Grant kick) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:32
PSU - Smith,Tyrese 75 yd run (Uribe,Mathias kick), 1 plays, 75 yards, TOP 00:13
ISU - Rochelle,Rashad 51 yd pass from Patterson,Keegan (Lopez,Sebastian kick) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:21
Osho,Nick 55 yd run ( ), 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:22
Osho,Nick 79 yd run (Lopez,Sebastian kick), 1 plays, 79 yards, TOP 00:13
CP - Chris Brown 60 yd run (Stephen Pyle kick), 1 plays, 60 yards, TOP 0:09
CP - Roland Jackson 36 yd pass from Chris Brown (Stephen Pyle kick) 5 plays, 82 yards, TOP 1:30
Mason,Julian 30 yd pass from Cooke,Jordan
USD - Martens,Jack 69 yd pass from Bouman,Aidan (Leyland,Will kick) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:02
ones,Adam 54 yd run (Sansted,Myles kick), 3 plays, 68 yards, TOP 01:27
5280Griz
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I am pretty sure Oklahoma has the record for the most big plats given up from the land rush in 1889. Montana’s population is too small to hold the record for plats given up of any size.
HikeGlacier
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I'm pretty sure the Montana D would have at least 5 in the top 25 in 2025.
mthoopsfan
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I wouldn't rely on you for anything. You have no clue and don't even know how to Google.
mthoopsfan
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"Top Passing Touchdowns (90+ Yards)
| Distance | Quarterback | Receiver | Team |
| 98 Yards | Braylon Braxton | Trey Brown | Southern Miss |
| 98 Yards | Colton Joseph | Michael Davis | Old Dominion |
| 93 Yards | Jalon Daniels | Emanuel Henderson Jr. | Kansas |
| 93 Yards | Robby Ashford | — | Wake Forest |
| 91 Yards | Deuce Knight | — | Auburn |
| 90 Yards | Caden Veltkamp | — | FAU |
| 90 Yards | Scotty Fox Jr. | — | West Virginia" |
HikeGlacier
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See where all of these fall on the list:
C. Mason pass to G. Goering for 95 yds, for a TD
Taco Dowler 87 Yd pass from Justin Lamson (Myles Sansted Kick)
UND - Fleming,BJ 82 yd pass from Kaminski,Jerry ( ) 2 plays, 84 yards, TOP 00:47
Osho,Nick 79 yd run (Lopez,Sebastian kick), 1 plays, 79 yards, TOP 00:13
PSU - Smith,Tyrese 75 yd run (Uribe,Mathias kick), 1 plays, 75 yards, TOP 00:13
USD - Martens,Jack 69 yd pass from Bouman,Aidan (Leyland,Will kick) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:02
SAC - Campbell, Ernest 63 yd pass from Williams,Cardell (Meadors,Grant kick) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:32
CP - Chris Brown 60 yd run (Stephen Pyle kick), 1 plays, 60 yards, TOP 0:09
Osho,Nick 55 yd run ( ), 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:22
nes,Adam 54 yd run (Sansted,Myles kick), 3 plays, 68 yards, TOP 01:27
ISU - Rochelle,Rashad 51 yd pass from Patterson,Keegan (Lopez,Sebastian kick) 4 plays, 75 yards, TOP 01:21
CP - Roland Jackson 36 yd pass from Chris Brown (Stephen Pyle kick) 5 plays, 82 yards, TOP 1:30
Mason,Julian 30 yd pass from Cooke,Jordan
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HikeGlacier
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The longest play from scrimmage in the NFL tonight, and it still wasn't 95 yards.
