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Post game: time to hit the panic button?

It's the next day and I'm still a little in shock over how yesterday's game ended. The Grizzlies played their ugliest game of the year and managed to escape with a win thanks to a fumbled snap and failed attempt to spike the ball. Credit Hunter Peck for seeing the EWU QB mis-manage the exchange and run through him to create a scrum that would lead the clock hitting zero.

The Montana Grizzlies cannot have a repeat performance of what we saw from essentially the 2nd quarter and on if the team goals are to beat MSU, have a deep playoff run, and return to the natty. After scoring 22 points on their first 3 possessions Montana's next 9 possessions would amass 161 total yards and 7 more points. In the 2nd half the Montana offense would have just 117 yards, and in the 4th quarter alone across 3 possessions Montana would have just 16 yards of offense.
Montana's 350 total yards of offense is their lowest output of the season and it comes at the hands of the 2nd worst statistical defense in the conference

Montana's previously top 3rd down conversion offense winds up going 1-10 on 3rd downs.

Montana would rush for 101 yards, Sac the week before had almost 400.

The Grizzly offense had the ball for just over 22:00 of clock.

Just 13 rush attempts for Eli.

On the other side the defense was hung out to dry, frustrating in a game where early it appeared the Griz would roll and our defensive guys would get some rest with some good chances for depth rotation. Instead the Montana defense was fighting for their lives the whole way and being absolutely decimated in the passing game giving up continued 3rd and long conversions. It really looked like neither man coverage, nor zone was working, the pass rush would be great on 1st or 2nd down, but then get picked up and shut down on 3rd. The Big Sky Conference has now updated the combined conference stats Montana has the worst passing defense in the Big Sky, statistically. You don't win championships with performances like this.

Worst 3rd down offense in the conference goes 11-21 against the defense.

An RS frosh with 3 prior games under his belt, in his first start, throws for 451 yards.

An EWU WR playing in place of an injured one with 90 yards on the season goes for 133 yards and 1 TD.

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There's plenty of silver lining here, Montana played this poorly, especially on offense, for 3/4ths of a game and still won, we had some amazing early plays and performances, and even in a tough spot the defense kept battling the whole way and did just enough, barely, to hold on for the win. As discussed a bit last night on twitter, good Grizzly teams have struggled before in "ugly" wins. I was at the 2009 ISU game where an undefeated Montana had a kick a game winning field goal to beat a winless Bengal team 12-10.

Ugly games can happen, however this is a growing concern that's not just a single game issue. Montana has now shown issues in games where they cannot play consistently and cannot put their opponent away. Cal Poly needed a 2nd half surge after no points scored in the first half. Idaho State throws an incomplete pass out of the endzone to turnover on downs and lose at the end. Sacred Heart is within 8 points with 6:46 to go in the game. Weber hangs around and Montana only scores 1 time in the 2nd half against them. And then there was yesterday.

There's presumably no dramatic change that can happen, the defensive secondary is beat up, but I also don't think that if/when Loud returns all will be fixed and fine. There's broader concerns that aren't solved by 1 player. Beyond the defense though, my greatest concern is the offense and it's inability to be consistent through games. Are these guys losing focus? Are they more banged up than we possibly know? Are they just not as good as a unit as their early stats suggested? Is this a growing pain issue with so many transfers?

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End of the day, Montana's 10-0 and now going to hit the road for the trap game of the century with a brawl looming against a Cat team that is firing on all cylinders. While I'm trying to avoid the sense of doom rising within me, let's focus on some points from yesterday that goes beyond all of the concerns stated above.

- What a catch by Hendrix, maybe one of the better/best ones I've ever seen in that stadium Brooks Nuanez with Skyline had an amazing photo of it too. In a game where Brooks Davis was pretty severely limited it was cool to see Hendrix step up. If you haven't seen it, here it is, with the article source as well:


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- Have a day Kellen Detrick, 3.5 TFLs / 3 sacks. I really like stories like his, battling injuries most of his career, missing a few seasons from it, and having just 1 sack before yesterday total over his time here - and he gets 3 of them! Watching him in fall camp practice I could hear him as a vocal leader with the D-line and his play has really been rewarded this year. Really happy for the guy.

- Kenzel Lawler our CB1 was battling yesterday, 1 pick, probably should've had a 2nd, 9 tackles! Our CB room is thin, even more after yesterday, but he's still out there and doing as much as he can.

- If there's one thing Aaron Best does well, it's decimate the 3-3-5 defense that Montana has had since Bobby brought it here in 2018. He just knows how to pick it apart, and I'm sure both Barnum and Vigen are going to be on the phone with him a lot in the weeks ahead.

- Solid day for Ramos with 2 sacks as well, and the Grizzly rush defense did good too - granted EWU just kind of gave up trying to run the ball - they still held EWU to an average of 1 yard per carry (thanks to those 8 sacks) - if you back out the sacks the EWU offense was still held under 4ypc.

- Gillman coming up short on a swing pass at mid-field seemed like such a pivotal moment in the game.

- How many 3rd and medium/long plays did the called play be a screen or short pass well beyond the line to gain? Didn't work yesterday at all.

- Tremendous punt return by Deck, caught by his heel or it's a house call.

- Wortham was super dangerous in the passing game, fun to see him burn up his old team, just wish we could've highlighted him more all over the field.

- Jake Mason with some great interior line disruption early in the game.

- Wing, Tolbert, Solo, and Oven have to be gassed today, those guys were tasked with so much blitzing / pursuit / aggressive plays at the line.

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Here's my hope for the upcoming week - a return to better consistency on offense. That will go a long ways in putting my mind at ease. Let's start there because we have seen and know they can do that. Griz are 10-0, the best record they can have at this point, they're solidly IN the playoffs, and they're 1 more win away from a round 1 bye. Lots to focus on, lots to clean up. Their best game is hopefully still in front of them - let's keep it rolling!

Go Griz
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and that didn't work either

Right on, Danny Downer, we're at 10-0, # 2 in the country, # 1 in The Big Sky despite playing an unprecedented 10 consecutive games with no bye ... and We're doomed, D O O M E D. !!!

God, I would hate to sit next to you on a commercial flight ✈️ --the first turbulence, " We're going to die, crash and burn, we're all crispy critters !!! "

You must be a lot of fun to be around at a GRIZ game or anywhere else, DD : ( !!!
 
He was very confident and I do not think the crowd or the defense bothered him all that much. At one point he was egging the crowd on to get louder. I would be willing to bet he has seldom if ever taken a snap under center. If you watch the play the centers fanny pack appears to knock the ball out of his hand.

And yet he fumbled, didn't he, and we won ?

And before he fumbled, was the game on the line ? ... Yeah, it's easy to publicly display bravado when the game is not on the line and egg on the crowd and chirp at them, but totally different when the Griz defenders across from him that have pounded him all day--8 sacks, 12 TFL's--are again licking their chops like their big, furry brown, four-legged apex predator namesakes eyeballing an elk, moving up to the line, backing away, then back up again, his body is throbbing in pain from the beating he has suffered and he can almost feel the hot breath of our hungry D line on him and the deafening roar of the 25,000 + GRIZ faithful--it's so loud he couldn't even hear or even yell to his center in front of him let alone his tackles and guards to his left and right and now unlike earlier, the game is on the line , and given all of this pressure, he choked and we won !!!

Eastern's young QB is very impressive, but he ain't Superman as we all learned in the closing seconds of the game yesterday !!!
 
Hoops, I respect your faith in the team and concede the sacks, INTs, etc. But the fact of the matter is that the pass D is in the bottom 10% in the FCS and dead last in conference. I don’t know how you can say that’s not a problem. If giving up 451 pass yards is not considered “porous” then you need to redefine the term.
451 was one game and 63 passes. As I said, if Ah Yat had thrown 63 passes, he would have passed for about 550 yards. Keeping passes/receivers in front of us was big. The longest pass was 33 yards. Not much. The Griz needed more first downs from the O, and more stops from the D on 3d down. When you have corners and secondary hurt, you play more zone and play with what you have. The Dakota teams are not going to pass for 450 yards, nor are the Cats. Too bad it happened, and it will have to get cleaned up, and but life goes on. Some of you just get hung up on one stat, and can't see the big picture. Your analsis of the game and football is very shallow. That's why I sometimes make fun of certain Griz posters.
 
Just out of curiousity PR, what made Idaho not inferior when you played them? Their wins were to St Thomas and Utah Tech. And after losing to you they then lost to a bad UNC team and a bad EWU team. Just curious why they were not inferior then when they appear to be pretty inferior now?
They had their very good QB. I watched the game and could see that Idaho was a good team then. They were ranked high. Did you attend the game and watch it closely like I did? I watch games. I understand the game. I can see what's happening and not happening. I don't just focus on one stat.

A question for you. Why do you think Idaho was ranked no. 8 when the Griz played them? Because all the poll voters were dumb or not paying attention?
 
They had their very good QB. I watched the game and could see that Idaho was a good team then. They were ranked high. Did you attend the game and watch it closely like I did? I watch games. I understand the game. I can see what's happening and not happening. I don't just focus on one stat.

A question for you. Why do you think Idaho was ranked no. 8 when the Griz played them? Because all the poll voters were dumb or not paying attention?
Gotcha thanks. I was just curious. Didn’t pay much attention to Idaho early on but just didn’t seem very good to me.

I guess it’s similar to those that say SDSU wasn’t all that good despite being ranked #2. I thought they were pretty good before they lost their QB too so we can just agree that both South Dakota state and Idaho were basically the same and very good teams.

To answer your last question I don’t pay attention to preseason polls. They could have ranked Idaho 2 instead of SDSU for all I care. I mean teams gotta start somewhere right? Why was Texas and Penn St 1 and 2 to begin the season? Were all the poll voters fun or just not paying attention? Cause they don’t seem to be the best two teams in the county today
 
Gotcha thanks. I was just curious. Didn’t pay much attention to Idaho early on but just didn’t seem very good to me.

I guess it’s similar to those that say SDSU wasn’t all that good despite being ranked #2. I thought they were pretty good before they lost their QB too so we can just agree that both South Dakota state and Idaho were basically the same and very good teams.

To answer your last question I don’t pay attention to preseason polls. They could have ranked Idaho 2 instead of SDSU for all I care. I mean teams gotta start somewhere right? Why was Texas and Penn St 1 and 2 to begin the season? Were all the poll voters fun or just not paying attention? Cause they don’t seem to be the best two teams in the county today
When UM played Idaho, it was not a pre-season poll. It was Idaho's 5th game. Idaho had lost to each of Wash St and San Jose St by only 3 points. Yes, I can agree that SDSU was good when the Cats played them, but it looks like they weren't anywhere close to great. Even accounting for their injured qb, they haven't looked great in more recent time. Good or very good probably, but not great.

If you are going to come onto egriz and have any credibility, you need to do more research and be prepared.
 
When UM played Idaho, it was not a pre-season poll. It was Idaho's 5th game. Idaho had lost to each of Wash St and San Jose St by only 3 points. Yes, I can agree that SDSU was good when the Cats played them, but it looks like they weren't anywhere close to great. Even accounting for their injured qb, they haven't looked great in more recent time. Good or very good probably, but not great.

If you are going to come onto egriz and have any credibility, you need to do more research and be prepared.
Research and prepared for what? :ROFLMAO:

They had close losses and wins against st Thomas and Utah Tech. Those are facts. Then they lost to you, a crap unc team snd a crap eastern team.

I never said they weren’t good. I asked you a question and you answered. Then I conceded that they were likely a pretty good team cause they were ranked #5.
 
Somewhere between "absolute panic" and `"The Griz are 10-0!!" lies the truth, as always in the middle. And Brint has done an excellent job of handing out kudos where appropriate while not glossing over this team's obvious deficiencies.

This is as concise, well-written and fully documented a version of the truth as I have seen on this board all year.

My concern is that in a year that we have some of the greatest playmakers ever to don Griz uniforms--certainly Eli Gillman and Michael Wortham, with Ah Yat growing into a major force--our defense remains highly suspect, the secondary as porous as I've ever seen.

Didn't take much for an opposing coach to look at the tapes and say, "We're throwing sixty times." It's a miracle we escaped yesterday.

Can this be fixed? In one game? In Portland? Before the Big Dawgs come visiting?

I remain hopeful but skeptical. The main hope now is that this offense becomes unstoppable, as in Q1 yesterday, and not Q's 2,3 and 4. Time for Brent Pease to show his greatest chops, to make his mark at Montana.
💯 nailed it.
 
I am dumbfounded that the question should we push the panic button was even brought up and made into a discussion. Sounds like a dumb thing Frank Gogola would ask Bobby at a press conference.
 
hitting the panic button is what the kickoff 'hands team' did when they just sat there and watched the ball coming towards them during the onside kickoff, instead of, you know, trying to recover it. that's gotta be one of the worst special teams plays i've seen, they acted like they needed to wait until the ball had covered ten yards before they could do anything.
 
If the Grizzly offense plays to its potential they will beat the Cats. The Griz defense can limit MSU’s run game and get after Lamson. Yards will be given up through the passing game but we have proven we can win games giving up a ton of yards through the air. My concern is the offense. If the offense is humming and consistent from start to finish the Griz will win.
 
If the Grizzly offense plays to its potential they will beat the Cats. The Griz defense can limit MSU’s run game and get after Lamson. Yards will be given up through the passing game but we have proven we can win games giving up a ton of yards through the air. My concern is the offense. If the offense is humming and consistent from start to finish the Griz will win.
I curious, has the gris offense had a game this year where they have been consistent from start to finish?
 
Not time to hit the panic button. We're 10-0, on to the next. NDSU barely beat Youngstown at home last week, and UND gifted them the game yesterday. Do you think ndsu is panicking ?
Show me where they are last in any category in their conference, and then you can use them as a comparison.
 
We have the second ranked defense in the conference in the only defensive category that truly matters.
That's how dumb you are—not getting off the field on third down limits the number of offensive possessions--playing pass defense takes way more energy than playing run defense. To quote Hoops, "Learn football."
 
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