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Bobby Hauck names the starting QB Keali'i Ah Yat
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Genuinely curious why hes even on the fan board. Who cares, yet he's always on here posted negativity. Go touch grass man.
If I can get tickets relatively affordably I’ll be there. Even buy you a beer.
I don’t post on bobcatnation. Too boring there. Read sometimes just to see what Vim says, but that’s all.
mthoopsfan
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Don't know specifically. But have watched some of his teaching and talking, and saw how the guys react. Assume he's better because of his great experience. I used to know most of the OL, but don't know any of them anymore. Have talked to some of the injured guys at practice, but not about the coach or anything of substance. So more of hunch on my part. Brint told me a funny story a few practices ago. Ask him.
Ut-Grizfan
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The Portland State game is where the vast majority of my issues with AhYat come from, we couldn't score with the talent we had against the worst Defense in the Big Sky last year. If he doesn't get injured and Hauk isn't forced to put Fife in I don't know if we win that game.
I really hope he is improved (all info seems to say this) and I want him to erase all the doubt, but until that happens I'm going to be a tad concerned with the QB position. Jensen looking good in the spring and all the Flowers hype alleviates it somewhat.
Montanabob
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over under on the number of starting QB's for griz this year. 2.5 and I will take the over.
mthoopsfan
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Oh, please. Don't be negative, or stupid. There will be one starting qb, subject to injury. I hope Jensen sees some good playing time, and think he will be good too. Just FYI, Flowers isn't there yet. He likely will be eventually, tho.
You don't think his performance against SDSU, where he was the only FCS QB to rival the stats of the #2 and #3 Payton Award finalists against that defense, even in garbage time, makes you feel a little better? QBs can have bad games, and he was still playing dinged up in that one against PSU.
I don't mean to call you out, but I remember you still claiming Logan was the better QB while excusing his horrendous performances against MSU and Tennessee State. Those didn't seem to bother you like the Ah Yat game against PSU did, for some reason.
As for the comp with Jensen and Flowers, Ah Yat has looked head and shoulders better than both of them so far this offseason. Does that not give you confidence?
Ut-Grizfan
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I haven't seen it myself so I'm taking everyone's words for it, hence why I hope it's true. I do stand by the fact that I felt Fife was the better of the 2 QBs last year, that doesn't mean that I ever excused him for his poor performances (both had really bad games) nor does it mean that he was infallible. How the coaches handled the whole situation also I feel contributed to the inconsistent play by both as well, a mess all around.
As mentioned by others AhYat was able to pad the stats a bit against SDSU late, we were down 35-3 after his Pick 6 and he was able to get some numbers in garbage time. Personally no, it doesn't make me feel better he put up some decent numbers only after their defense started coasting.
Him being named QB#1 is a great start (no stupid flip flopping like last season) and I hope he delivers and makes my worrying look foolish, but he has to prove it on the field.
mthoopsfan
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Using stats from only teams with a winning is silly and almost always misleading. A winning record doesn’t necessarily equate to a good defense. Also, I don’t think the Griz receivers lived up to their potential in recent years. Was he healthy or injured in those games? That has a huge impact. How about the stats for games where he was healthy?
mthoopsfan
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Stats like that are often misleading and easy to argue with, in my view.
In fairness, you could and would argue if the sky is blue or not, if the sun rises in the east or the west, etc.
mthoopsfan
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And for some posters to have any credibility and show better knowledge of the game, they need to make better posts. The analysis and track record of some posters makes me discount every post they make. My view is that Ah Yat doesn’t have prove anything to you. You need to pay closer attention to what is going on and to observe and evaluate better, is my view.
mthoopsfan
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No, I wouldn’t do that. You are actually describing yourself. I find that various people on egriz accuse others of doing exactly what the accuser is doing himself. An interesting phenomena.In fairness, you could and would argue if the sky is blue or not, if the sun rises in the east or the west, etc.
garizzalies
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Feel like I am the president of the KAY fan club and driving the bandwagon. I started a thread last year which showed KAY had the best season of any UM freshman QB in modern history (since Mornhinweg) and even broke a record no prior QB could accomplish ever. That’s about 120 years of Griz football. Only modern freshman QB that came close to KAY was Bergquist who was a total beast. And then, of course, the resident fact-checker, 1122, rightly pointed out Gresch Jensen, but that Jensen was kind of a fluke under a unique offense and a one-off who essentially washed out.
In the NFL, there is a “sophomore slump”; however, it’s the opposite in Griz football history. We’ve had some amazing sophomores. If KAY can continue that trend, look out.
All aboard!!
In the NFL, there is a “sophomore slump”; however, it’s the opposite in Griz football history. We’ve had some amazing sophomores. If KAY can continue that trend, look out.
All aboard!!
Most notably, KAY's dad.
He was right, though. If you want to debate the status quo, debate the point. Having a winning record doesn't automatically equate to a good defense. A team can have a great defense and a crappy offense. A team could have a great offense and a crappy defense, but have a winning record. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I made similar points to you. You can't selectively choose what statistics to use to make a point and then not defend the reasoning behind it.In fairness, you could and would argue if the sky is blue or not, if the sun rises in the east or the west, etc.
I saw KAY pass good when he threw and our guys caught the ball. I saw KAY pass not so good when our guys did not catch it. It looked like he passed good when their guys were not as good. It looked like he passed not as good when their guys were good. It was in-, int-, int-ter, um, weird. It was weird. I hope he will pass good this year. Do you all hope he will pass good this year? I do hope so.
I will be honest and say that I am annoyed people are still pretending or ignorantly believing there was a "stupid flip flopping" of the QBs last year. The staff couldn't talk about it at the time because they didn't want to give it away, and people who knew were asked not to share it, but Ah Yat was the guy shortly into the season and suffered injuries that really affected his ability to play. Fife then had an opportunity, and just couldn't take it.
But this narrative that there was a "flip flopping" of QBs back and forth all season was wrong at the time, and at this point plenty of people inside the program have come out and directly said that it was injuries to Ah Yat last year that led to Fife being brought back in. If people are still saying that, like here, it is either misleading or willful ignorance, in my mind.
Ah Yat has since added size and strength to hopefully make sure he holds up better this year.
