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Sac State's FBS Waiver is likely denied

They did not join the Big West for football.

Nope. Independent, which means no access to championships and paying everyone for home games, which Dr. Wood already pointed out is difficult due to geography. I would love for the Big Sky to cancel their slate now, but with $1 million dollars to gain they won’t kick them out I’m sure.

Can you imagine if Wistrchill did and they didn’t have any conference games for this improved roster except a 4 game non conference slate against SDSU, Nevada, Mercyhurst, and Central Arkansas.

Even worse would be seeing them try and fill out a basketball schedule. Shaq would really have to pull some strings as GM.
 
Nope. Independent, which means no access to championships and paying everyone for home games, which Dr. Wood already pointed out is difficult due to geography. I would love for the Big Sky to cancel their slate now, but with $1 million dollars to gain they won’t kick them out I’m sure.

Can you imagine if Wistrchill did and they didn’t have any conference games for this improved roster except a 4 game non conference slate against SDSU, Nevada, Mercyhurst, and Central Arkansas.

Even worse would be seeing them try and fill out a basketball schedule. Shaq would really have to pull some strings as GM.
Too late as it would hurt the other schools, they could never replace them on the schedule
 
Yes, that is what the article said. But, if they want out of the BSC, then out completely, not one foot in(football) and one foot out(everything else). Kick them out, and give every other team in the BSC a Bye Week. The unfaithful wife analogy applies. 'Get out of my bed and stay out, whore!'
Unfortunately, I think $$$ will dictate otherwise. ***Then, who is the whore?
 
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Yes, that is what the article said. But, if they want out of the BSC, then out completely, not one foot in(football) and one foot out(everything else). Kick them out, and give every other team in the BSC a Bye Week. The unfaithful wife analogy applies. 'Get out of my bed and stay out, whore!'
Unfortunately, I think $$$ will dictate otherwise. ***Then, who is the whore?
The added bye week hurts the other schools.
 
Understood, but I really don't give a rats ass about the others. So, does that make UM the Pimp or the Whore?
OMG! A football forum post turned cerebral.
 
Too late as it would hurt the other schools, they could never replace them on the schedule

From a logistic standpoint the schedule is easy enough to fix on the football side of things. With a little help from the league financially (from Sac States $ 1 million buy out) it would be plenty easy to replace conference games due to teams stacked on various bye weeks. Example below.

9/13 Cal Poly at EWU (the league would buy out Western Oregon for Cal Poly and a split buy out to UNI as this was a road game for EWU)
9/27 Cal Poly with a new additional bye week
10/4 Idaho at Weber (new matchup), UNC retains bye week.
10/11 Weber with their new bye week, EWU retains bye week.
10/18 UC Davis vs PSU, UNC at Montana (league would buy out Sacred Heart), Cal Poly retains bye week
10/25 Montana with a new unplanned bye week.
11/1 EWU with an extra bye week
11/8 PSU with new bye week
11/15 Idaho with their new bye week
11/22 UC Davis new bye week

From a financial standpoint EWU misses out on a payday and a game against an MVFC team. Cal Poly loses a home game against Western Oregon. Don’t know what the gate $ would be but can’t be too bad. They also each get an additional bye during the season.

Montana would still retain 8 home games by replacing Sacred Heart with Northern Colorado. The biggest loser would be the Big Sky by losing a nationally televised night game on ESPN 2 and some of the contract $$ that go with it. Bonus for Montana would be a Saturday home game instead of a late Friday night road game.

Idaho and UC Davis get hosed by having to move their bye weeks to the end of the season. PSU or Davis would lose a home game(likely PSU)

It might also put some of our teams at a disadvantage with one less D1 game such as EWU and Montana, but not a harm to Cal Poly losing a D2? Or the rest of the league.

Now on the Basketball side of things for men and women, there is likely no way the league would be able to give up our current league schedule given the balance and the home and home series. Soccer, Tennis, Volleyball, and Softball would probably be fine but take some finagling. Track and Cross Country would have no impact.

Given basketball alone this won’t even be a consideration, but it’s not impossible given the current schedule. And It will absolutely not happen given the ESPN contract $$ and exposure for football alone.
 
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From a logistic standpoint the schedule is easy enough to fix on the football side of things. With a little help from the league financially (from Sac States $ 1 million buy out) it would be plenty easy to replace conference games due to teams stacked on various bye weeks. Example below.

9/13 Cal Poly at EWU (the league would buy out Western Oregon for Cal Poly and a split buy out to UNI as this was a road game for EWU)
9/27 Cal Poly with a new additional bye week
10/4 Idaho at Weber (new matchup), UNC retains bye week.
10/11 Weber with their new bye week, EWU retains bye week.
10/18 UC Davis vs PSU, UNC at Montana (league would buy out Sacred Heart), Cal Poly retains bye week
10/25 Montana with a new unplanned bye week.
11/1 EWU with an extra bye week
11/8 PSU with new bye week
11/15 Idaho with their new bye week
11/22 UC Davis new bye week

From a financial standpoint EWU misses out on a payday and a game against an MVFC team. Cal Poly loses a home game against Western Oregon. Don’t know what the gate $ would be but can’t be too bad. They also each get an additional bye during the season.

Montana would still retain 8 home games by replacing Sacred Heart with Northern Colorado. The biggest loser would be the Big Sky by losing a nationally televised night game on ESPN 2 and some of the contract $$ that go with it. Bonus for Montana would be a Saturday home game instead of a late Friday night road game.

Idaho and UC Davis get hosed by having to move their bye weeks to the end of the season. PSU or Davis would lose a home game(likely PSU)

It might also put some of our teams at a disadvantage with one less D1 game such as EWU and Montana, but not a harm to Cal Poly losing a D2? Or the rest of the league.

Now on the Basketball side of things for men and women, there is likely no way the league would be able to give up our current league schedule given the balance and the home and home series. Soccer, Tennis, Volleyball, and Softball would probably be fine but take some finagling. Track and Cross Country would have no impact.

Given basketball alone this won’t even be a consideration, but it’s not impossible given the current schedule. And It will absolutely not happen given the ESPN contract $$ and exposure for football alone.
You're pushing too hard.
 
Nope. Independent, which means no access to championships and paying everyone for home games, which Dr. Wood already pointed out is difficult due to geography. I would love for the Big Sky to cancel their slate now, but with $1 million dollars to gain they won’t kick them out I’m sure.

Can you imagine if Wistrchill did and they didn’t have any conference games for this improved roster except a 4 game non conference slate against SDSU, Nevada, Mercyhurst, and Central Arkansas.

Even worse would be seeing them try and fill out a basketball schedule. Shaq would really have to pull some strings as GM.
Nope. Independent, which means no access to championships and paying everyone for home games, which Dr. Wood already pointed out is difficult due to geography. I would love for the Big Sky to cancel their slate now, but with $1 million dollars to gain they won’t kick them out I’m sure.

Can you imagine if Wistrchill did and they didn’t have any conference games for this improved roster except a 4 game non conference slate against SDSU, Nevada, Mercyhurst, and Central Arkansas.

Even worse would be seeing them try and fill out a basketball schedule. Shaq would really have to pull some strings as GM.
100% they will play LSU at some point...
 
Taking on trying to figure out something as complex as the seating arrangement at next the G-50 Summit. Even my AI app was getting a headache.

lol. If some dumba$$ fan like myself can figure out a viable solution in 15 minutes by just taking a quick peek at the schedule, imagine what someone at the conference level actually getting paid could do. And that’s not taking into account the 12 remaining AD’s making 6 figures each.
 
He says no conference will take them because of geography when in reality they won't take them cause he's batshit crazy and nobody wants to deal with him.
It’s going to be interesting watching the Rev. Dr. Wood CBE find employment after this.

Bet he’s regretting that ‘Stingers Up’ tattoo about now.
 
Another Sac State thread on egriz? We've really been living rent free in your heads these past few months. Well here's my take of the situation and response to some of the posts in this thread. It's a long read so add some whale oil to your lamp, tie down the canvas on your covered wagon, adjust your coonskin cap and settle in, I'll turn on my telegraph machine in a day or so so I can reply to some of the vitriol that is sure to follow.

Pertaining to football recruiting, these players came to Sac to play for Coach Marion. He connects with the culture and his track record has been to get lots of players touches and stats. Everyone currently on the Hornet roster came knowing that '25 was going to be an FCS season. Maybe some players will sit out, but given the current nature of D1 athletics that the NIL era has created, the players that ball out will be moving on to a "better program" regardless of if we will be FCS or FBS in '26 or beyond. D1 athletics is all about getting the best talent on the roster on an annual basis and free agency plays a big part in that, our FB classification doesn't change that. FWIW we had a c/o '26 4 star top 100 HS recruit make his official campus visit late this week, if the waiver decision was that big of a deal he would have cancelled his visit. Again, most of these players are at Sac to play for Coach Marion and be a part of the culture he brings to the program.

I do think the FB classification will impact how long Coach Marion sticks around, but if he lives up to the hype he will be getting poached to a more lucrative contract at a bigger program sooner rather than later anyways. I have no knowledge of his current contract, but if I were structuring it, he would be paid as an FCS HC with a trigger for renegotiation in the event that Hornet FB attains FBS status. I'm sure the lure to bring Hornet FB into FBS status was a selling point. Nonetheless, Coach Marion will need to deliver this season and none of the FBS waiver issues change that.

Pertaining to the FBS waiver, the only thing we have at this point is a recommendation to decline it from the FBS Oversight Committee. The only thing I've seen for reasoning behind the FBS Oversight Committee's decision was the lack of an invite from an FBS conference. This tells me that Sac State hits all the FBS metrics with the exception of the conference invite. It will be voted on by the D1 Council next week. I'm not sure what actual day the vote on our waiver will take place but we'll know by Wednesday at the latest. I would be surprised if the D1 Council votes against the recommendation.

That said, the next step for Dr. Wood and Sac State is likely to file an antitrust lawsuit. I don't think Dr. Wood came all this way just to go away quietly in the event of an unfavorable D1 Council decision on the waiver. The Liberty lawsuit 7ish years ago is important because it proves that you can sue your way into FBS. While the Hornets wouldn't be suing on religious grounds in this circumstance, I would assume there are other antitrust grounds that a case against the NCAA can be made on.

Additionally, the NCAA has taken some major L's in the courtroom so it could just be a matter of getting the case in front of a favorable/activist judge. I'm not an internet lawyer like a lot of you folks here are, but just going off of some of the headlines and snippets I've read on some of the recent NCAA cases, I think this is a viable path if it comes to that. The down side of the lawfare route is the time it will take and the impact it has on the FBS transition schedule. I honestly don't have any idea how fast or slow such a case will take.

So why did Dr. Wood pull out of the BSC similarly to how you egrizzers pull out of your pet ewe? Simple, Sac State is opting into the House Agreement so that we can pay...er I mean "revenue share" with our "student athletes". Since the BSC hasn't (isn't?) opting into the House Agreement, we can now have an "unlimited" amount of scholarships and push our FB roster size to 105 players and not be limited to the 65 scholarships that the BSC stipulates. This will allow Hornet football to ramp up to FBS G5 levels of institutional support while remaining in the FCS. With your big brothers in Bozeman opting into the House Agreement, I'm curious to see what their approach is going to be in order to take full advantage of the opportunity.

With the Big West's Board of Directors unanimous vote on June 5th to extend Sac State a membership invite, we'll now be able to park our Olympic sports in a regional footprint that will, according to AD Orr at the BW Introductory press conference, save Sac State "hundreds of thousands of dollars" which will be "reinvested into the athletic programs." Oh and here's the kicker, we get to jettison the BSC for $250k and not the $1M since we got our formal notice of departure before July 1st.

I think I hit on all the main points I read in this thread. Let me know if I missed something.

Oh almost forgot, it was a catch. Cry more.

Fh-JYccVEAAW8XM
 
Another Sac State thread on egriz? We've really been living rent free in your heads these past few months. Well here's my take of the situation and response to some of the posts in this thread. It's a long read so add some whale oil to your lamp, tie down the canvas on your covered wagon, adjust your coonskin cap and settle in, I'll turn on my telegraph machine in a day or so so I can reply to some of the vitriol that is sure to follow.

Pertaining to football recruiting, these players came to Sac to play for Coach Marion. He connects with the culture and his track record has been to get lots of players touches and stats. Everyone currently on the Hornet roster came knowing that '25 was going to be an FCS season. Maybe some players will sit out, but given the current nature of D1 athletics that the NIL era has created, the players that ball out will be moving on to a "better program" regardless of if we will be FCS or FBS in '26 or beyond. D1 athletics is all about getting the best talent on the roster on an annual basis and free agency plays a big part in that, our FB classification doesn't change that. FWIW we had a c/o '26 4 star top 100 HS recruit make his official campus visit late this week, if the waiver decision was that big of a deal he would have cancelled his visit. Again, most of these players are at Sac to play for Coach Marion and be a part of the culture he brings to the program.

I do think the FB classification will impact how long Coach Marion sticks around, but if he lives up to the hype he will be getting poached to a more lucrative contract at a bigger program sooner rather than later anyways. I have no knowledge of his current contract, but if I were structuring it, he would be paid as an FCS HC with a trigger for renegotiation in the event that Hornet FB attains FBS status. I'm sure the lure to bring Hornet FB into FBS status was a selling point. Nonetheless, Coach Marion will need to deliver this season and none of the FBS waiver issues change that.

Pertaining to the FBS waiver, the only thing we have at this point is a recommendation to decline it from the FBS Oversight Committee. The only thing I've seen for reasoning behind the FBS Oversight Committee's decision was the lack of an invite from an FBS conference. This tells me that Sac State hits all the FBS metrics with the exception of the conference invite. It will be voted on by the D1 Council next week. I'm not sure what actual day the vote on our waiver will take place but we'll know by Wednesday at the latest. I would be surprised if the D1 Council votes against the recommendation.

That said, the next step for Dr. Wood and Sac State is likely to file an antitrust lawsuit. I don't think Dr. Wood came all this way just to go away quietly in the event of an unfavorable D1 Council decision on the waiver. The Liberty lawsuit 7ish years ago is important because it proves that you can sue your way into FBS. While the Hornets wouldn't be suing on religious grounds in this circumstance, I would assume there are other antitrust grounds that a case against the NCAA can be made on.

Additionally, the NCAA has taken some major L's in the courtroom so it could just be a matter of getting the case in front of a favorable/activist judge. I'm not an internet lawyer like a lot of you folks here are, but just going off of some of the headlines and snippets I've read on some of the recent NCAA cases, I think this is a viable path if it comes to that. The down side of the lawfare route is the time it will take and the impact it has on the FBS transition schedule. I honestly don't have any idea how fast or slow such a case will take.

So why did Dr. Wood pull out of the BSC similarly to how you egrizzers pull out of your pet ewe? Simple, Sac State is opting into the House Agreement so that we can pay...er I mean "revenue share" with our "student athletes". Since the BSC hasn't (isn't?) opting into the House Agreement, we can now have an "unlimited" amount of scholarships and push our FB roster size to 105 players and not be limited to the 65 scholarships that the BSC stipulates. This will allow Hornet football to ramp up to FBS G5 levels of institutional support while remaining in the FCS. With your big brothers in Bozeman opting into the House Agreement, I'm curious to see what their approach is going to be in order to take full advantage of the opportunity.

With the Big West's Board of Directors unanimous vote on June 5th to extend Sac State a membership invite, we'll now be able to park our Olympic sports in a regional footprint that will, according to AD Orr at the BW Introductory press conference, save Sac State "hundreds of thousands of dollars" which will be "reinvested into the athletic programs." Oh and here's the kicker, we get to jettison the BSC for $250k and not the $1M since we got our formal notice of departure before July 1st.

I think I hit on all the main points I read in this thread. Let me know if I missed something.

Oh almost forgot, it was a catch. Cry more.

Fh-JYccVEAAW8XM
UCD has an invite to the MWC. What do you view the reasons that SacSt doesn't.
 
Another Sac State thread on egriz? We've really been living rent free in your heads these past few months. Well here's my take of the situation and response to some of the posts in this thread. It's a long read so add some whale oil to your lamp, tie down the canvas on your covered wagon, adjust your coonskin cap and settle in, I'll turn on my telegraph machine in a day or so so I can reply to some of the vitriol that is sure to follow.

Pertaining to football recruiting, these players came to Sac to play for Coach Marion. He connects with the culture and his track record has been to get lots of players touches and stats. Everyone currently on the Hornet roster came knowing that '25 was going to be an FCS season. Maybe some players will sit out, but given the current nature of D1 athletics that the NIL era has created, the players that ball out will be moving on to a "better program" regardless of if we will be FCS or FBS in '26 or beyond. D1 athletics is all about getting the best talent on the roster on an annual basis and free agency plays a big part in that, our FB classification doesn't change that. FWIW we had a c/o '26 4 star top 100 HS recruit make his official campus visit late this week, if the waiver decision was that big of a deal he would have cancelled his visit. Again, most of these players are at Sac to play for Coach Marion and be a part of the culture he brings to the program.

I do think the FB classification will impact how long Coach Marion sticks around, but if he lives up to the hype he will be getting poached to a more lucrative contract at a bigger program sooner rather than later anyways. I have no knowledge of his current contract, but if I were structuring it, he would be paid as an FCS HC with a trigger for renegotiation in the event that Hornet FB attains FBS status. I'm sure the lure to bring Hornet FB into FBS status was a selling point. Nonetheless, Coach Marion will need to deliver this season and none of the FBS waiver issues change that.

Pertaining to the FBS waiver, the only thing we have at this point is a recommendation to decline it from the FBS Oversight Committee. The only thing I've seen for reasoning behind the FBS Oversight Committee's decision was the lack of an invite from an FBS conference. This tells me that Sac State hits all the FBS metrics with the exception of the conference invite. It will be voted on by the D1 Council next week. I'm not sure what actual day the vote on our waiver will take place but we'll know by Wednesday at the latest. I would be surprised if the D1 Council votes against the recommendation.

That said, the next step for Dr. Wood and Sac State is likely to file an antitrust lawsuit. I don't think Dr. Wood came all this way just to go away quietly in the event of an unfavorable D1 Council decision on the waiver. The Liberty lawsuit 7ish years ago is important because it proves that you can sue your way into FBS. While the Hornets wouldn't be suing on religious grounds in this circumstance, I would assume there are other antitrust grounds that a case against the NCAA can be made on.

Additionally, the NCAA has taken some major L's in the courtroom so it could just be a matter of getting the case in front of a favorable/activist judge. I'm not an internet lawyer like a lot of you folks here are, but just going off of some of the headlines and snippets I've read on some of the recent NCAA cases, I think this is a viable path if it comes to that. The down side of the lawfare route is the time it will take and the impact it has on the FBS transition schedule. I honestly don't have any idea how fast or slow such a case will take.

So why did Dr. Wood pull out of the BSC similarly to how you egrizzers pull out of your pet ewe? Simple, Sac State is opting into the House Agreement so that we can pay...er I mean "revenue share" with our "student athletes". Since the BSC hasn't (isn't?) opting into the House Agreement, we can now have an "unlimited" amount of scholarships and push our FB roster size to 105 players and not be limited to the 65 scholarships that the BSC stipulates. This will allow Hornet football to ramp up to FBS G5 levels of institutional support while remaining in the FCS. With your big brothers in Bozeman opting into the House Agreement, I'm curious to see what their approach is going to be in order to take full advantage of the opportunity.

With the Big West's Board of Directors unanimous vote on June 5th to extend Sac State a membership invite, we'll now be able to park our Olympic sports in a regional footprint that will, according to AD Orr at the BW Introductory press conference, save Sac State "hundreds of thousands of dollars" which will be "reinvested into the athletic programs." Oh and here's the kicker, we get to jettison the BSC for $250k and not the $1M since we got our formal notice of departure before July 1st.

I think I hit on all the main points I read in this thread. Let me know if I missed something.

Oh almost forgot, it was a catch. Cry more.

Fh-JYccVEAAW8XM
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