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Trump Considers Executive Order on College Athlete Payments

Skookum-Jim said:
I hate to break it to you but there has always been cheating in college football. Also since the NCAA, college institutions, mainstream media and coaches have turned college football into a huge business it has never been about the players getting a good education. Your excuse about big money ruining college football doesn't make sense. It's capatilism and the players are finally getting a cut. You're just seeing unchecked capitalism and we are quickly approaching the end of the Monopoly game. Kind of like our society in general.
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I hate to break it to you, but I played college football, know more than you on the subject, and have been around longer than you. The amount of money in college sports, especially football, is way larger than it's ever been, and NIL has brought even more money. As well as corruption.

At many schools in the past, and some schools now, it is about, or also about, players getting a good education.

My comment about big money ruining college football is absolutely true and makes complete sense. What planet are you from?

It's not just capitalism. College sports once were completely amateur sports and that certainly wasn't capitalism.

Another thing that will hurt college sports is the limitation on roster sizes. This will cut down on participation and there won't be room for many players in college sports.

Are you in favor of star high school players in places like Texas, where the crowds are often huge, demanding to get paid? Capitalism, in high school sports.

And cheating in college football is not at the heart of what my complaint. Lots of the current problems don't involved cheating. Only some do.

Only some players are getting a big cut. Most players are not getting much.

Only some programs even make a profit from college sports, and not that many even make a profit from football. UM and MSU's budgets are not profitable. They are subsidized by the state and by donors. I assume you aren't saying that the state should given players a "cut"?

Seeing the end of the monopoly game? What are you talking about.

My god, you are so out to lunch on this subject.
 
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Almost no one talking about the "other" sports.

Anyone doubt sports beyond football and basketball may find themselves on the outside looking in?
 
CDAGRIZ said:
I find myself agreeing with the attorney's conclusion but not based on Saban's pay during the old system. It's not lost on me that Nick Saban now yearns for a more equal playing field. He didn't seem to have an issue in the past, when top players were being paid and programs with more money were engaged in a facilities arms race of which lesser schools could only dream. It makes one wonder if the true cause for concern among the elite programs isn't the continuing concentration of power, but the potential crumble thereof. NIL could allow a very rich group of alumni to take Also Ran University to new heights within the rules rather than under the table at the risk of getting caught. That was not a threat with the old system.

Now, if the gripe is the portal, it's a semi-separate issue. I find it very difficult for those opposed to players transferring at will to reconcile that stance with the notion that the players are student-athletes. As far as transfer penalties (which is what they are) like the EPL, I can see the initial appeal. But such penalties would simply serve as barriers to exit just like sitting out a year did. To the extent there is an issue, it's not mine to solve, and reminiscing about the old system does about as much good as saying gas used to be 20 cents/gallon.
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You have kids - I have daughters playing D1 olympic sports in the P5.

For them, I do worry and reminisce about the old system. There are significant cuts on the horizon at many, many schools. They'll be required to fuel football - primarily.
 
mthoopsfan said:
NIL and Transferring are completely linked. Without NIL, there would be much less transferring, and certainly not by top players. NIL and Portal are not two separate issues; not the same, but not separate.

How does contributing to a university help the US economy? Please explain.

The big Texas A&M contributions at that time were also attributed to other things.

"But Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told the Tribune that he believes there is more to it than athletics, though he acknowledged it helps.

Ed Davis, the president of the Texas A&M Foundation, which raises money to support the university, including nearly $351 million in the last year, said that some of the increases in gifts could be attributed to demographics.

The "magic age" for gift giving, he said, is 55 years and older. In the last decade, the total number of former A&M students in that range has more than doubled, from slightly more than 20,000 to nearly 50,000. Davis said it is expected to double again by 2020.

"The future is bright in terms of people who are going to be making gifts from wealth that they have accumulated," Davis said, adding that a thriving energy sector in the state also contributed to the number of individuals with money to donate.

The school also has a number of high-profile projects — pertaining to both athletics and research — under way, including a major renovation of Kyle Field and the establishment of a major federal biosecurity center."
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There was a transfer happening all the time. Places like Alabama were paying players under the table for years.
 
Skookum-Jim said:
I hate to break it to you but there has always been cheating in college football. Also since the NCAA, college institutions, mainstream media and coaches have turned college football into a huge business it has never been about the players getting a good education. Your excuse about big money ruining college football doesn't make sense. It's capatilism and the players are finally getting a cut. You're just seeing unchecked capitalism and we are quickly approaching the end of the Monopoly game. Kind of like our society in general.
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This is spot on. Players are now in control. It's a great example of what happens when you form a Union.
 
HikeGlacier said:
This is spot on. Players are now in control. It's a great example of what happens when you form a Union.
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I 100% agree players need a union. I think they should also negotiate for medical coverage that would cover injuries sustained while playing for their lifetime. Knees, backs etc.. But with negotiation the contracts would be binding on their side also. Just like NFL players.
 
HikeGlacier said:
There was a transfer happening all the time. Places like Alabama were paying players under the table for years.
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Let's see your source for that statement.

"Transfer happening all the time"? You think there were as many transfers in the old days as now? That's pretty funny. Transfers at the higher level were relatively infrequent.

You think Alabama paying players under the table was similar to NIL now? Ha, that's pretty funny too. Except for a few instance like Newton, payments under the table were peanuts in comparison to now.

Where do you come up with all of this stupid stuff?
 
FWIW,

I'll give you my HS Civics lecture in truncated form and without charts and graphs.

1. If you want long lasting change that isn't easy to unroll six months or years from now, you don't want an Executive Order to accomplish it. The EO is limited in focus and generally only apply to existing federal law and administration of those laws. What the NCAA wants is best granted by congress or minimally SCOTUS (which is how MLB got its anti-trust exemption). The EO is a blunt object that is administrative and it allows too many opportunities to halt it via other EO's, lawsuits, etc. Congressional authorization and clarification is the best possible choice.

2. NCAA wants or would want anti-trust protection. The schools want it, in part because then it means the NCAA can universally apply rules. As of right now its a hodge podge of NCAA guidelines and state laws. The problems they have with any potential EO is that EO's won't address the inequality in state application of their own laws on NIL/Colleges and compensation. This is why NCAA wants congress to act upon it because it would allow them to manage the 600 member institutions not as loosely aligned confederacy but rather a governance structure that allows for imposition of laws and regulations that are currently denied to the NCAA under its by-laws. EO's just don't have the authority.

3. Moreover, the blanket problem the NCAA has right now that much of its current application of NIL has been through lawsuit and court decisions. There is no way, even through cooperative federalism (power of the purse and even Trumps desire to withhold money), without legislation to provide any level of constancy the federal government is really limited. They want congress to fix it because the NCAA doesn't have the ability through its frame work to plug the dike. The federal government doesn't need to be the regulator, but rather simply has to create a framework that allows the NCAA to have the authority to create those rules with some level authority that it'll stick. Right now that isn't the case as is with the JC player ruling that unseated their prior NCAA only extra provision, and why now DII and hardship cases are coming for them not through the NCAA but through the court system. This would allow players the ability to bargain, engage in the marketplace and would allow the NCAA to regulate like MLB and NFL does with it is member clubs.

4. I don't think it really means that the NCAA is going to have professional players. Rather what the NCAA wants is a 5 in 5 or 5 in 6 type model and a framework that enforceable from D1 to D3 and moreover workable for all of its institutions. I don't think we'd really be in this position for all the waivers had it been the necessity of granting players an extra year because of the covid shut-downs. That is in the past obviously, but it created so many loop holes with the advent of a very profitable NIL system that the NCAA couldn't regulate. Players should get paid, it is a job, but it needs to be something that schools like Montana can work within and survive. That isn't the case now, but having congress and not an EO is probably the best pathway to restore some sanity to the situation.
 
I doubt that Congress could come up with a good and fairly comprehensive bill. Congress often can't come up with bills on subjects they know something about. Agreed that Executive Orders can be mistake or not last long. In this case, a good EO might start bringing back some order.

Things are a mess. I fear that the horses are long gone from the barn, and it will take many years and many actions to get even to more stability. And that stability may not be very good either. College sports are changed forever. For me, mostly for the worse.

My view is that if players need/want to get paid big bucks, there should be a separate sub-professional league for them. College is not the place for big time sports/money/professionalism/corruption. Big time money sports detract too much from the main mission of colleges, in my view.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Let's see your source for that statement.

"Transfer happening all the time"? You think there were as many transfers in the old days as now? That's pretty funny. Transfers at the higher level were relatively infrequent.

You think Alabama paying players under the table was similar to NIL now? Ha, that's pretty funny too. Except for a few instance like Newton, payments under the table were peanuts in comparison to now.

Where do you come up with all of this stupid stuff?
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Transfers happened all the time, and you don't have a clue how much money players made before NIL.
 
Griz til I die said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1920178970173034687
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Great news and much needed. And while I generally **despise** govt involvement in almost (*almost*) everything, I do have confidence that trump will assemble a strong coalition for this commission. (Not being political, just an observation).

And let's all be honest, while we all have differing opinions on college athletes' compensation and transfer portal etc, I think we can all agree that the current structure of it all is broken and on a totally unsustainable path for almost all college programs. Sure, the programs with bottomless budgets etc don't necessarily care and do what they want, most can't operate that way.

The current structure is ripe for fraud, abuse and misguidance. Or wait... I'm sure agents that are free to charge 20% for the "deals" they "negotiate" are solely acting on their clients' best interests... or not 😵😂
 
The market will stabilize over time. Student athletes should not be precluded from maximizing their value and return. They have sacrificed for the benefit of the schools and broadcast media for far too long. This is a capitalist society, love it or leave it, and the government should stay out of this.
 
HikeGlacier said:
Transfers happened all the time, and you don't have a clue how much money players made before NIL.
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Transfers did not happen all the time and you are the one with no clue how much many was paid under the table. You never played the game and you have never been close to the game. Just a bunch of hot air.
 
goatcreekgriz said:
The market will stabilize over time. Student athletes should not be precluded from maximizing their value and return. They have sacrificed for the benefit of the schools and broadcast media for far too long. This is a capitalist society, love it or leave it, and the government should stay out of this.
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Again, in general I do totally agree. However, this is (basically) a lawless endeavor currently that has zero direction. The NCAA is powerless and pathetic, unless they are bullying a non power 4 program (like UM). They literally are displaying pathetic leadership. It should be embarrassing for them, and if we're talking true capitalism, they'd be falling by the wayside of Blockbuster, MySpace, Polaroid, and most recently Skype. In this circumstance, I think this approach that the president is applying is appropriate. If that means some regulation, so be it.

Let's just hope he holds to his claim that for every regulation added, 10 will be repealed during his term!!
 
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nicktaber58 said:
Again, in general I do totally agree. However, this is (basically) a lawless endeavor currently that has zero direction. The NCAA is powerless and pathetic, unless they are bullying a non power 4 program (like UM). They literally are displaying pathetic leadership. It should be embarrassing for them, and if we're talking true capitalism, they'd be falling by the wayside of Blockbuster, MySpace, Polaroid, and most recently Skype. In this circumstance, I think this approach that the president is applying is appropriate. If that means some regulation, so be it.

Let's just hope he holds to his claim that for every regulation added, 10 will be repealed during his term!!
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Trump should stick with grifting through meme coins, crypto, and sycophants buying so-called Truth Social stock. Maybe he could study economic history and learn how stupid his tariffs are. Or even just recognize that it is his job to uphold the Constitution, comply with court orders, and respect due process rights.

Regardless, Trump and the government should stay out of this and let kids maximize their value. College athletes have been treated unfairly for far too long. So just let the market work it out.
 
goatcreekgriz said:
Trump should stick with grifting through meme coins, crypto, and sycophants buying so-called Truth Social stock. Maybe he could study economic history and learn how stupid his tariffs are. Or even just recognize that it is his job to uphold the Constitution, comply with court orders, and respect due process rights.

Regardless, Trump and the government should stay out of this and let kids maximize their value. College athletes have been treated unfairly for far too long. So just let the market work it out.
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Well, Trumps co-chair is Cody Campbell, the founder of an NIL collective, so presumably they are not going to let the student athletes hang out to dry in these efforts.
Presumably you're donating significant funds to the GOG collective, as you feel so strongly about college athletes being treated so unfairly 🙃. I have talked to many significant griz boosters that dont like the idea of donating to individuals, but rather causes that benefit the entire team/program/university as a whole. Personally I participate in both types of support.
 
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