Boise state

[flowtowngriz]

I keep hearing playoffs, playoffs playoffs.

I do like the playoff games and a chance to win a natty. But we hardly fill the stadium except for ndsu or most semi final games which we had 1 in 10 years.
If the playoff games are so exciting why is it so hard to fill the stadium. Hmmm. Oh because Thanksgiving, or hunting or the students are gone. None of those excuses work if the playoffs are so exciting. Big game sell out period no excuses.
The main reason I support the move up is seeing exciting game weekly. Play Wyoming, Colorado st, Nevada, Oregon st, nmsu, boise st, Colorado, unlv, Arizona, Arizona st, plus an opportunity to host a power 4 team here at home. We will never get any of these games as home EVER NEVER EVER if we stay fcs plus never play g6 teams because they don't pay enough for us to give a home game to a d2 school. Oooooo so exciting to see central wash. Panhandle st. Shit i hardly name fcs schools. FCS IS SO BAD NOW besides top half of the big sky and mvc.
Shit this is like frenchtown staying in b class because they can win more state championship then being challenged on moving up.
Get real people if we stay in fcs we are OK on being not moving forward as college. If you not moving forward you are falling behind.
Soon northern Colorado is going to a challenging game. Just like sac st, Portland st, weber, south dakota, we're 10 to 20 years ago. 10 years from now central wash and northern Colorado are going to be key match up games. Wake the F___ UP people.
Yes it will be hard with money, wins and losses but the in the end I rather be with our peer institutions

 

[EverettGriz]

Now, other than football, I have no interest in Boise St. I assume there are lots of people like me. Is the school any good? Your priorities are weird.

No, the school is horrible. But students don't give a shit because their football program is successful. Which is why they've grown 3X in enrollment since making the move to the FBS.

Can you imagine UM growing 3 times in enrollment? Probably woulda happened if we'd moved up when they did.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I keep hearing playoffs, playoffs playoffs.

I do like the playoff games and a chance to win a natty. But we hardly fill the stadium except for ndsu or most semi final games which we had 1 in 10 years.
If the playoff games are so exciting why is it so hard to fill the stadium. Hmmm. Oh because Thanksgiving, or hunting or the students are gone. None of those excuses work if the playoffs are so exciting. Big game sell out period no excuses.
The main reason I support the move up is seeing exciting game weekly. Play Wyoming, Colorado st, Nevada, Oregon st, nmsu, boise st, Colorado, unlv, Arizona, Arizona st, plus an opportunity to host a power 4 team here at home. We will never get any of these games as home EVER NEVER EVER if we stay fcs plus never play g6 teams because they don't pay enough for us to give a home game to a d2 school. Oooooo so exciting to see central wash. Panhandle st. Shit i hardly name fcs schools. FCS IS SO BAD NOW besides top half of the big sky and mvc.
Shit this is like frenchtown staying in b class because they can win more state championship then being challenged on moving up.
Get real people if we stay in fcs we are OK on being not moving forward as college. If you not moving forward you are falling behind.
Soon northern Colorado is going to a challenging game. Just like sac st, Portland st, weber, south dakota, we're 10 to 20 years ago. 10 years from now central wash and northern Colorado are going to be key match up games. Wake the F___ UP people.
Yes it will be hard with money, wins and losses but the in the end I rather be with our peer institutions

Oh, BS on your filing stadium stuff. The stadium was pretty full all last season, including the 3 playoff games. The crowds are loud and very good in playoffs.

Some of the games you mention would be boring, and losses. Colorado St? Good joke.

It will be impossible without big money, and I don't see that coming from anywhere.

Pie in Sky. Chasing Windmills. I wish we were all Billionaires too. We'd all have more money.

 

[flowtowngriz]

I am talking about playoff games as far as selling out. What 13000 is a full stadium????? When we played tennis. St. Hi2 about about the delaware game last yr? 17000? How about Furman. 22000??? As sell out is 25000+ Look at the facts of the playoff games. Regular season game have been sold out. But if we don't move up they will start to dwell like ndsu. Not saying we are doom and gloom at fcs but people really don't give a shit about fcs besides fewer and fewer people. 8f you don't believe the fcs isn't watered down? Look at the fcs championship games played and see how many are in the fcs besides dakotas montanas and eastern.

 

[Copper Griz]

I know. It simply can’t be done. I know this because I’ve heard that it simply can’t be done, so it must be true. The hallmark of any worthwhile endeavor is to do things the way you’ve always done them. Like the old saying goes: “Nothing ventured, good. Fuck it and bail.”

Thanks for providing your proof points. In other words, you don’t have a clue how the Griz or the Cats could move up. Humor is one thing, facts are another. Pathetic response. Make another joke. That sarcasm doesn’t cut it.

 

[Copper Griz]

Explain the economics of the Boise move.

They were in considerably worse shape both economically and athletically than Montana currently is. Yet they not only made it work, they've been wildly successful by any and all measures. Their university is completely unrecognizable compared to when they moved to FBS for one and only one reason: their move to the FBS.

And if you truly believe television/media money won't cover the costs, you clearly haven't been paying attention.

But sure, if we want to always be a small fry, let's stay where we are.

So you are saying the research the BOR did is not as accurate as your hyperbole? Prove that Boise was in a worse state than Montana. You can’t and won’t. Boise proper was on the rise and their boosters (plural) had deep pockets. You can’t just keep going to the well in Montana and asking the same people to prop up the program. I would live for the Griz to move up. It just doesn’t make economic sense. They have to have the dollars. Speaking of paying attention, the TV dollars absolutely don’t support a move up. That’s what the BOT focused on. You are talking out your ass. You want it to happen, but you can’t make it happen. Sorry you are angry. The rest of us deal in reality.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Thanks for providing your proof points. In other words, you don’t have a clue how the Griz or the Cats could move up. Humor is one thing, facts are another. Pathetic response. Make another joke. That sarcasm doesn’t cut it.

One way would be to move up. But, as discussed, we’ve been told it can’t be done, so it can’t. I agree. Case closed.

 

[EverettGriz]

So you are saying the research the BOR did is not as accurate as your hyperbole? Prove that Boise was in a worse state than Montana. You can’t and won’t. Boise proper was on the rise and their boosters (plural) had deep pockets. You can’t just keep going to the well in Montana and asking the same people to prop up the program. I would live for the Griz to move up. It just doesn’t make economic sense. They have to have the dollars. Speaking of paying attention, the TV dollars absolutely don’t support a move up. That’s what the BOT focused on. You are talking out your ass. You want it to happen, but you can’t make it happen. Sorry you are angry. The rest of us deal in reality.

I'm nowhere near as connected with the BOR as I used to be for certain, so I guess I'm saying that Montana has a great number of non-forward-thinking people.

The proof --as it almost always is, Copper -- is in the results. Teams moving to the FBS have like a 97% success ratio. And perhaps one of those teams (App) was as prepared for the move as Montana is right now.

And if you really need to ask if Boise was in a better spot when they moved up than Montana is now, we have nothing further to discuss, because it would be like teaching advance calculus to someone who can't add 2 plus 4.

No need to be sorry, as I'm not the least bit angry. Disappointed for sure. Angry? Nah.

 

[mthoopsfan]

I'm nowhere near as connected with the BOR as I used to be for certain, so I guess I'm saying that Montana has a great number of non-forward-thinking people.

The proof --as it almost always is, Copper -- is in the results. Teams moving to the FBS have like a 97% success ratio. And perhaps one of those teams (App) was as prepared for the move as Montana is right now.

And if you really need to ask if Boise was in a better spot when they moved up than Montana is now, we have nothing further to discuss, because it would be like teaching advance calculus to someone who can't add 2 plus 4.

No need to be sorry, as I'm not the least bit angry. Disappointed for sure. Angry? Nah.

Boise St was in better position to move up than UM because 10's millions of dollars, and one of the original big donors is still giving. Just gave $25 million this year. That is the reason. Don't know why you can't see that or recognize it.

Where is the money coming to move up, to start fast and keep doing well? WHERE? Who will be the $25 million donor and just keeps on giving? Where will the zillions of dollars on NIL come from?

 

[BillingsMafia]

I was at that semi game in Youngstown in '94 when DD was out. Even with that unbelievable OL the backup QB was helpless. All day protection, but he couldn't make a play. DD would have picked them apart. Taking apart BSU on their way out in '95 was sweet.

who wins the 1994 team without DD vs 2023 team?

 

[EverettGriz]

Boise didn't start getting huge donations until AFTER their move the fbs. That's sort of the entire point.


Also, see post above re "success rate".

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

Boise didn't start getting huge donations until AFTER their move the fbs. That's sort of the entire point.


Also, see post above re "success rate".

I don't believe that was his point though.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Boise St was in better position to move up than UM because 10's millions of dollars, and one of the original big donors is still giving. Just gave $25 million this year. That is the reason. Don't know why you can't see that or recognize it.

Where is the money coming to move up, to start fast and keep doing well? WHERE? Who will be the $25 million donor and just keeps on giving? Where will the zillions of dollars on NIL come from?

I understand and respect the opinions of those who point out the financial disparities. I get that those presently exist. However, I refuse to believe those disparities presently constitute a prohibition. (a) nobody checks how much money you’ve spent before kickoff, (b) there is no rule of which I’m aware that mandates a minimum athletic budget for FBS football (outside of whatever that “fee” is to jump up), (c) that budget is extremely subject to change, and (d) if we’re worried about never being relevant on a national scale a la Boise, I have severely underestimated the entire Montana mentality. My opinions only.

 

[EverettGriz]

I don't believe that was his point though.

Perhaps not. But shouldn't that be the point?

Boise went from a backward directional university which was perpetually third in a 3 school race in tiny, meaningless Idaho to what it is today: one of the largest non-flagship universities in the west. It still sucks academically, but they have money to burn.

And all of that can be traced to one event: their move to the fbs.

So if that isn't the point, I'm not exactly sure what is.

 

[Copper Griz]

I'm nowhere near as connected with the BOR as I used to be for certain, so I guess I'm saying that Montana has a great number of non-forward-thinking people.

The proof --as it almost always is, Copper -- is in the results. Teams moving to the FBS have like a 97% success ratio. And perhaps one of those teams (App) was as prepared for the move as Montana is right now.

And if you really need to ask if Boise was in a better spot when they moved up than Montana is now, we have nothing further to discuss, because it would be like teaching advance calculus to someone who can't add 2 plus 4.

No need to be sorry, as I'm not the least bit angry. Disappointed for sure. Angry? Nah.

Teams moving to FBS have a 97% success ratio, unless they are Idaho. They also have completely different demographics than Missoula or Montana. Many were also pre NIL. Boise is not Missoula. Forward thinking is one thing. Realism is another. We will have to agree to disagree. I love the Griz. Love Montana and would love to move up. I just don’t see the numbers penciling out. Especially in a state with low median income and fans that wouldn’t be able to support higher ticket costs.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Teams moving to FBS have a 97% success ratio, unless they are Idaho. They also have completely different demographics than Missoula or Montana. Many were also pre NIL. Boise is not Missoula. Forward thinking is one thing. Realism is another. We will have to agree to disagree. I love the Griz. Love Montana and would love to move up. I just don’t see the numbers penciling out. Especially in a state with low median income and fans that wouldn’t be able to support higher ticket costs.

So, I suppose it’s either (a) try and succeed, (b) try, fail, and come back to exactly where we are now, or (c) continue to do nothing so Elmer and Martha can playfully sway to “Raise a Little Hell” against CWU. The clock is nearing 0:00, and then (c) will be the only remaining option.

 

[DaveinMT]

Moving up would be a disaster, particularly with the current conference availabilities. Look at the the former FBS programs that have moved up. It’s like they disappeared from the face of the Earth: Marshall, Georgia Southern, Sam Houston St., App St., etc. Are you telling me that they’re better off than they were before? In many cases their attendance has gone down since moving up. Even though football pulls the cart, people tend to forget that EVERY sport moves up, not just football. Say goodbye to NCAA tournament participation in hoops and volleyball except in rare circumstances. Let’s say you have a great football season. At best, you’re playing in a nothing bowl very few people care about. Say goodbye to ever even sniffing a chance for a national championship.
Unless a new conference is formed that would make a move up to FBS attractive and viable, UM & MSU would be nuts to move to FBS anytime soon. Boise State is an unusual exception and let’s not forget it’s been nearly 39 years since they left the Big Sky Conference. Sometimes the best move is to not move at all.

 

[DaveinMT]

I meant 29 years; not 39.

 

[mthoopsfan]

Or, try and ruin Griz football.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

Or, try and ruin Griz football.

Maybe, maybe not. It’s really moot now anyway because the toothpaste is (almost) out of the tube. We can maybe get a few more cleanings in, but it’s gonna be wire brushes and baking soda after that. We’ll find a way to like it.