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Defense

After watching the replay all I can say is if this is our depth on defense(especially the secondary) we are in a world of dodo. There are a few players who I’m surprised are even here. The safeties were lost, the linebackers seemed out of position and the corners remind of high school corners who just run with receivers. Damn lucky Gradney played hurt. This was absolutely abysmal defense by any standard.
 
Ut-Grizfan said:
Considering you think giving up 551 yards and 49 points is good defense I think you're the one who needs to learn what Football is
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I would like to point out we gave up 608 yards in the 2021 playoff game at home against EWU and still won. Limu-Jones had over 200 receiving yards in that game and 2 TDs. However I am still concerned that our defense has so many holes open in the secondary and our run defense was not good either. They have time to improve but its gonna take a lot.

Our corners are a liability right now. The ONLY one who actually turned around and made a play on the ball was Loud. NOBODY else has turned around ONCE. Jackson has had a PI in each game this season and Gordon is getting beat on the deep routes. There is a talent gap and not as good coaching right now on defense. They need to clean shit up big time. I have some faith they can do it but its gonna take a lot.
 
nzone said:
After watching the replay all I can say is if this is our depth on defense(especially the secondary) we are in a world of dodo. There are a few players who I’m surprised are even here. The safeties were lost, the linebackers seemed out of position and the corners remind of high school corners who just run with receivers. Damn lucky Gradney played hurt. This was absolutely abysmal defense by any standard.
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Not only that, I saw in the 4th quarter after Chism got his 3rd TD I believe, Tirrell, Gordon and Raush (I think, might have been Jackson) were standing in the end zone and they looked confused AF. Tirrell literally put his hands up and I could tell none of them had a clue how Chism got open, and who was supposed to be covering him. To me thats coaching since it seems the guys do not know their assignments and everyone is assuming they have help. We still play too much zone and need more man to man. We shut down WCU by increasing QB pressure and playing more man to man.
 
NFL corners turn around. Most college corners don’t. It’s hard to do without goofing up. Different than NFL.

“Yes, face guarding is legal in college football as long as there is no contact. Face guarding is when a defender faces the player they are covering instead of looking at the ball.”
 
mthoopsfan said:
NFL corners turn around. Most college corners don’t. It’s hard to do without goofing up. Different than NFL.

“Yes, face guarding is legal in college football as long as there is no contact. Face guarding is when a defender faces the player they are covering instead of looking at the ball.”
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Why then, almost every time PI is called, Marty says “well the cornerback didn’t turn around…” I don’t think Marty understands the rule…
 
AZGrizFan said:
Please elaborate.
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One example is LB play. The drop-off in LB coverage from past Hauck teams is sizeable. You could talk about the LBs and safeties being out of position, by either over-pursuing or getting washed out. The griz struggle to set the edge. There are multiple different weaknesses on this defense currently, no matter what hoops attempts to tell you.
 
Oldschoolhornet said:
All good college corners/DBs read the receiver, time it and look back as the ball arrives. I coached it for decades. Turning back and locating the ball as it arrives has absolutely nothing to do with face guarding.
You obviously have not played football in the last 50 years.
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Great ones do in college. Not many lesser ones. There is no evidence that you ever coached anything, let alone d-backs. In the NFL, defenders can’t face guard. In college, defenders can put up their hands without defending. Are you saying all UM pass defenders who don’t turn around are not good d-backs? Why don’t you think they. All don’t turn around? I played football for decades and well into my 30’s.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Great ones do in college. Not many lesser ones. There is no evidence that you ever coached anything, let alone d-backs. In the NFL, defenders can’t face guard. In college, defenders can put up their hands without defending. Are you saying all UM pass defenders who don’t turn around are not good d-backs? Why don’t you think they. All don’t turn around? I played football for decades and well into my 30’s.
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Sure they can, as long as they don't make contact it's totally legal.
 
AZGrizFan said:
Why then, almost every time PI is called, Marty says “well the cornerback didn’t turn around…” I don’t think Marty understands the rule…
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Just my guess…..Marty knows you don’t have to turn but is saying if the corner would turn his head around he’d be able to make a play on the ball as opposed to running into or making contact with the receiver and then drawing the flag.
 
HelenaHandBasket said:
One example is LB play. The drop-off in LB coverage from past Hauck teams is sizeable. You could talk about the LBs and safeties being out of position, by either over-pursuing or getting washed out. The griz struggle to set the edge. There are multiple different weaknesses on this defense currently, no matter what hoops attempts to tell you.
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i think both the LB's and the safeties had a rough day. we are used to outstanding LB play/players and this year it's not happened yet. pretty big drop off in talent from last year, i agree. concerning, but they will get better. safeties i think also have to get some reps together and be comfortable and confident in their roles. they looked real confused back there a few times. we have a ways to go, but the good news is that i think the (obvious) best way for these young guys and backups to get better is reps, reps, reps playing together. additionally, i actually think jackson is a pretty good corner. he's got the short end of the stick on a couple of underthrows, but outside of a few examples, he is usually in pretty decent coverage, imo. yes, i think turning around at the opportune time would be better, but that's harder to do than it looks.
 
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