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Boise State joining PAC

Griz til I die said:
The MWC would be getting at least $14 million from each school that exits the league. Currently that means they would be receiving $56 million from these 4 departing schools, and if anybody else were to go like UNLV, they would keep adding $14 million. That would most certainly be more than enough to help FCS schools (if that's the route they choose to go) to pay the $5 million move up fee, fund the additional scholarships for Football, and add 2 additional sports. Not to mention the increase in tv money as well.

Seems to me like the money is there. We probably would need a little bit of help from the state, but the good news is the legislature meets in January, and if they have another billion dollar budget surplus, maybe instead of raising everybody's property taxes, they could instead give UM and msu more funding.
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I can't imagine the MW would give a bunch of money to FCS schools moving up. It just doesn't work that way. Even $14 million wouldn't come close to funding what it would cost to move up to the MW, and to keep funding staying in the MW. Scholarships wouldn't just for the football and a few new sports; scholarships would also have to go to women's sports in an equal amount. Plus more coaches and higher salaries. And presumably higher recruiting budgets. In 2023, budgets for Boise St. and Wyoming were $60 million and $50 million. UM's budget is about $25 million. Where is an extra $25 million per year going to come from?
 
On a side note: Will Boise play Portland State this week? I'd be hard pressed to let a team in my stadium with Whooping Cough
 
mthoopsfan said:
I can't imagine the MW would give a bunch of money to FCS schools moving up. It just doesn't work that way. Even $14 million wouldn't come close to funding what it would cost to move up to the MW, and to keep funding staying in the MW. Scholarships wouldn't just for the football and a few new sports; scholarships would also have to go to women's sports in an equal amount. Plus more coaches and higher salaries. And presumably higher recruiting budgets. In 2023, budgets for Boise St. and Wyoming were $60 million and $50 million. UM's budget is about $25 million. Where is an extra $25 million per year going to come from?
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The MWC would pay the 5 million move up fee unless they wanna collapse and not have a conference. TV money would help pay for additional scholarships, but there is no doubt that we would need more help from the state. Perhaps if the state has a billion dollar budget surplus again, maybe they can use it on useful stuff this time, like helping UM and msu move up
 
mthoopsfan said:
UM doesn't have anywhere close to the money to move to the MW. Not even close.
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Counselor, if the #1 in attendance program in the COUNTRY can’t generate enough money, why is that? What is it about the $$/stadium situation that causes all that revenue to go somewhere else (apparently)?

And when you say “anywhere close”, how far away would you say they are?
 
AZGrizFan said:
Counselor, if the #1 in attendance program in the COUNTRY can’t generate enough money, why is that? What is it about the $$/stadium situation that causes all that revenue to go somewhere else (apparently)?

And when you say “anywhere close”, how far away would you say they are?
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Because the MW has high athletic budgets. Because most FCS teams that move up get a large increase in football revenue, because they sell way more tickets and charge higher prices. UM is already doing that and probably close to be maxed out on both of those prongs. So, that wouldn't be a large new revenue source, and UM is already using all of its very good football revenue. Look at the difference in average conference athletic budgets for the FCS teams that have moved up (look at their initial conference). None, to my knowledge, were ever close to $50 or $60 million.
 
Griz til I die said:
The MWC would pay the 5 million move up fee unless they wanna collapse and not have a conference. TV money would help pay for additional scholarships, but there is no doubt that we would need more help from the state. Perhaps if the state has a billion dollar budget surplus again, maybe they can use it on useful stuff this time, like helping UM and msu move up
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The MW doesn't have to bring in FCS teams to expand.
 
grizindabox said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1835380697042723171
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I was just about to post this. The problem though is somebody is gonna end up adding FCS teams. If MWC steals from CUSA, where does CUSA go? The only place they have to go is FCS. Nobody at FBS wants to join that shit hole conference. It’s the only way all these G5 leagues survive in the end. Therefore they should tell Sankey to fuck off
 
mthoopsfan said:
Because the MW has high athletic budgets. Because most FCS teams that move up get a large increase in football revenue, because they sell way more tickets and charge higher prices. UM is already doing that and probably close to be maxed out on both of those prongs. So, that wouldn't be a large new revenue source, and UM is already using all of its very good football revenue. Look at the difference in average conference athletic budgets for the FCS teams that have moved up (look at their initial conference). None, to my knowledge, were ever close to $50 or $60 million.
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UM’s ticket prices are “high” for FCS, but not even remotely high for FBS. My Texas Tech season tickets were 2.5-3x what I paid for Griz tickets (with fewer games). Unless it’s your belief that they’re maxed out on what fans can afford…
 
AZGrizFan said:
UM’s ticket prices are “high” for FCS, but not even remotely high for FBS. My Texas Tech season tickets were 2.5-3x what I paid for Griz tickets (with fewer games). Unless it’s your belief that they’re maxed out on what fans can afford…
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We may well be near the max of what 25,000 Montana fans can afford. And woo boy, let's not even get started on NIL, because that is a huge extra expense to compete at that level.

Note, I'm not anti- move up. But a ton of extra money would have to come from somewhere, and the measly MWC TV contract isn't it.
 
mthoopsfan said:
Maxed out in what they would pay. And prior spot checks of regional FBS schools. I haven’t looked recently.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

FWIW, THIS fan would renew season tickets in a heartbeat at double the price if they moved to the MWC. (Keeping in mind the TICKET is not the expensive part for me, having to travel from San Antonio…)
 
AZGrizFan said:
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

FWIW, THIS fan would renew season tickets in a heartbeat at double the price if they moved to the MWC. (Keeping in mind the TICKET is not the expensive part for me, having to travel from San Antonio…)
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1. Boise State— 19,762 (Boise State, which provided its number Monday, is now reporting more than 20,000 season-ticket holders)

2. Fresno State— 16,433

3. Colorado State— 12,000

4. UNLV— 10,121

5. San Diego State— 9,852

6. Air Force— 8,853

7. Utah State— 8,612

8. Nevada 7,561

9. Hawaii, 7,473

10. New Mexico— 6,366

11. San Jose State — 3,446

"Boise State unsurprisingly led the way with a season-ticket base of 19,762 fans. That number is higher than five MW teams' average home attendance in 2023, including Hawaii (11,251), New Mexico (15,982), San Jose State (16,804), Nevada (16,998) and Utah State (19,282). Boise is football territory, although Fresno State led the MW in average attendance a season ago at39,939 fans per game to second-place Boise State at 35,867 (Fresno State's football stadium capacity also is 4,364 larger than that of Boise State). The Bulldogs (16,433) come in second in season-ticket base with Colorado State third at 12,000 and UNLV also crossing the 10,000-plus mark at 10,121.”

Season-ticket bases for Mountain West football teams for the 2024 seasonnevadasportsnet.com
 
The state of Montana is not interested in funding FBS football teams. The University of Montana has attendance and ticket revenue resembling a robust FBS program in the Rocky Mountain West. The Griz have the fans and ticket revenue piece of the puzzle in spades.
The University of Montana doesn't have the necessary level of support from the state government for funding parity with Mountain West schools. UM doesn't have state funding parity with other Big Sky Conference schools.
 
griz4life said:
The state of Montana is not interested in funding FBS football teams. The University of Montana has attendance and ticket revenue resembling a robust FBS program in the Rocky Mountain West. The Griz have the fans and ticket revenue piece of the puzzle in spades.
The University of Montana doesn't have the necessary level of support from the state government for funding parity with Mountain West schools. UM doesn't have state funding parity with other Big Sky Conference schools.
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Why wouldn't the state have interest in funding it?
 
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