Hey Pud, here is my simple question. Has Lulay ever had a great season? I mean by non-bobcat standards. I know your answer will be, "yes, last season." That is my point. You guys call last season a success. I have to give it to you that you beat the Griz, and I do believe that is something you can be proud of. But the fact that you come here and ask us if we have ever beat Lulay, just shows your desperation. Like iv'e said before, "You can polish a turd, but in the end, it is still a turd." So you can continue to wave around the shiny turd you call last season, but it sure is stinkin up the place.