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FCS msu bobcat mascot comes out of the closet

EverettGriz said:
AZDoc said:
mtgrizfankb said:
AZDoc said:
Drugs are illegal...there is no political stance on it. So yes, good for the school for the mascots to do those type of community well being services. You can also insert an EWU joke here if interested.


LGBT support is not a political stance. It’s supporting the rights of all humans no matter what their sexual preference is. There is not political issue here it’s a human rights issue. If you seriously have a problem supporting equal rights you should probably realize it’s 2018 and go pound sand

Didn’t say it was...but it IS politicized, thus controversial for a large portion of people in the country. As a tax payer supported institution, If you show support for political/controversial things, you piss people off. That’s my whole point.
I don’t care if you smoke poles on the weekend dude, it’s not the actual pride/human rights thing that’s the issue...it’s staying out of things like this when it can stir up issues down the road. What if MSUs biggest donor is anti lgbt? These are the reprocussions people don’t think about. Again, the cause is 1 thing, and supporting it is great, it’s just a slippery slope when universities start doing it

So was the Civil Rights Movement.

This country needs to get back to doing what is right and just and moral, and begin to move far, far away from worrying about whether taking such action might anger a few voters.

Exactly! I tell people all the time it would be a lot easier if we would just all get along and not play victim, or blame everyone else for things. Take ownership and work together. If that were the case, nobody would even bat an eye if there was a mascot anywhere doing whatever.
 
AZDoc, You mean guys playing the victim card like the Kings, Martin “I have a dream” and Rodney “can’t we all just get along”? Let’s see, Martin’s speech was from way back in 1963 and he gets assassinated in 1968, and Rodney’s plea was from 1991 and came after he got brutally assualted by 4 of LA’s finest ostensibly over a traffic violation and let’s not forget Sterling Brown recently got jacked up by 8 cops and tazed for a non arrest-able parking violation. Watch the body cam video on that one, really enlightening about how Milwaukee cops get along with black citizens. Do you think Martin and Rodney and Sterling were/are playing the victim and blaming everyone else? Take ownership and work together? What exactly does that mean in your world view? Who should take ownership for the constant police shootings and killings of black men for traffic violations? Correct me if I’m wrong but I would guess you are white, middle aged, straight, highly educated, identify as a Christian, financially well off and live in a place that is homogenous, and have no gay family members or friends that you know of. You got yours so why can’t the rest of society behave stay in their places and just leave you alone and not force you to have to suffer the indignity of that bastard Champ appearing at a gay pride human rights rally. Oh the humanity. :cry: :thumb:
 
AZDoc said:
EverettGriz said:
AZDoc said:
mtgrizfankb said:
LGBT support is not a political stance. It’s supporting the rights of all humans no matter what their sexual preference is. There is not political issue here it’s a human rights issue. If you seriously have a problem supporting equal rights you should probably realize it’s 2018 and go pound sand

Didn’t say it was...but it IS politicized, thus controversial for a large portion of people in the country. As a tax payer supported institution, If you show support for political/controversial things, you piss people off. That’s my whole point.
I don’t care if you smoke poles on the weekend dude, it’s not the actual pride/human rights thing that’s the issue...it’s staying out of things like this when it can stir up issues down the road. What if MSUs biggest donor is anti lgbt? These are the reprocussions people don’t think about. Again, the cause is 1 thing, and supporting it is great, it’s just a slippery slope when universities start doing it

So was the Civil Rights Movement.

This country needs to get back to doing what is right and just and moral, and begin to move far, far away from worrying about whether taking such action might anger a few voters.

Exactly! I tell people all the time it would be a lot easier if we would just all get along and not play victim, or blame everyone else for things. Take ownership and work together. If that were the case, nobody would even bat an eye if there was a mascot anywhere doing whatever.

So, I guess I'm confused. Why are people -- including you, seemingly -- complaining about the mascot doing whatever, then?
 
IF, you had a company, or was responsible for one, relatively big, and had a mascot or logo to promote the company and its wares and virtues, and the relevant manager allowed this mascot to be associated with some politically risky and very public cause, with a huge downside if this association failed, how would you react?

Your companys total worth evaporates overnight, taking you, and thousands of employees with it, how would you react? If, at this point, you had physical contact with this 'relevant manager,' would you pat him/her/it on the back, or break it's neck? Waded, or whomever, just put MSU in a similar position. Thousands of alum are wondering WTF!
 
indian-outlaw said:
mtgrizfankb said:
AZDoc said:
poorgriz said:
Or what if Champ or Monty attend an anti-meth rally? Acceptable or no?

Drugs are illegal...there is no political stance on it. So yes, good for the school for the mascots to do those type of community well being services. You can also insert an EWU joke here if interested.


LGBT support is not a political stance. It’s supporting the rights of all humans no matter what their sexual preference is. There is not political issue here it’s a human rights issue. If you seriously have a problem supporting equal rights you should probably realize it’s 2018 and go pound sand
This..... Why are people making this out to be a political issue?

Send Champ to a “tender years” shelter in Texas to March for human rights!
 
statler & waldorf said:
IF, you had a company, or was responsible for one, relatively big, and had a mascot or logo to promote the company and its wares and virtues, and the relevant manager allowed this mascot to be associated with some politically risky and very public cause, with a huge downside if this association failed, how would you react?

Your companys total worth evaporates overnight, taking you, and thousands of employees with it, how would you react? If, at this point, you had physical contact with this 'relevant manager,' would you pat him/her/it on the back, or break it's neck? Waded, or whomever, just put MSU in a similar position. Thousands of alum are wondering WTF!

Statler, I think you are viewing this through way outdated optics. Social norms aren’t and never will be static. Slavery was abolished in 1863, Jackie Robinson breaks the MLB color barrier 1947, Montana’s miscegenation laws prohibiting marriage between whites and blacks or Asians abolished 1953, Comstock law struck down in 1965 which prohibited get this any person from using any drug, medicinal article or instrument for the purpose of preventing conception, that included condoms (wtf), Roe v. Wade 1973, miscegenation law struck down by Supreme Court 1967, sodomy laws struck down 2003, same sex marriage ban struck down 2013, 67% of America favor same sex marriage in 2018 and the Stonewall riots were only 50 years ago. That is a super majority my friend and that means that it is not a political risky public cause, but rather it is now the social value of mainstream America. Pretty amazing when you stop and really think about it. 68% of Americans want stricter gun laws, March 2018. 68% of America opposes child separation by Homeland security at the border, June 2018. The times they have been a changing and they will continue to change because that is what cultures do they constantly evolve some faster then others. We still lag behind the other western liberal democracies but they have been free of the confines of the church-state alliance for decades. Ireland, the most Catholic country in Europe just amended its constitution by a popular vote of 66% to legalize abortion, the last Western European country to do so.

The next generations of Americans will be more tolerant of further restrictions on guns and alternative life styles just like our generation was more tolerant and progressive then our parents. The issue won’t be much of a contretemps anymore except to us aging white guys, and by the time we all die off we will have been less then 50% of the American population. Can you even imagine what it would be like to call yourself a minority. White birth rates have been in decline and black and brown birth rates continue to rise world wide. I have heard it called the browning of America. Do you realize just how truly f***ed we are? Social media and the internet have contributed to the excellerated progressing of America. Progress just never stops so we better come to grips with it. I’m pretty sure that MSU will be just fine and Champ will continue to promote his brand wherever there is a crowd of potential students. I think you are mistaken about a backlash or lawsuits about old Champ marching in a gay pride tutu. Those days or long gone, except in the narrow minds of the deep thinkers over at bobcatnation. Raw dogging a porn start doesn’t even register on the national moral compass. I think thousands of MSU alumni scattered through out the entire country are saying right on Champ about time.lol. Waded runs MSU like your hypothetical company and she knows what she is doing because MSU is booming in everything right now except their football team. She knows how to market the brand with the targeted demographics. So my question to Bodner is where the hell was Monte? :thumb:
 
Good post, Dutch. And if you think Waded took more than a millisecond to approve this decision, or made a "business decision" you haven't been on a college campus in 50 years (see also SNCC).
 
SACCAT66 said:
PlayerRep said:
signedbewildered said:
SACCAT66 said:
I see what you are saying, MSU turned down a lot of money from Gianforte to build a new building because of the backlash from groups like the LGBT. Maybe this is a show of solidarity after that?...

I guess I didn't realize they had turned down that money. Not sure how I missed that news.

I assume you never heard this or saw this, because it's not accurate to my knowledge. The Gianfortes made a major donation to MSU for its Computer Science program. $8 million. The program will be named after them. I sure didn't see that this got turned down, altho a few people protested.

Hence why I said that I could be wrong...and it looks like I was.

It was Koch money they turned down. I dont know the rest of the story however.
 
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