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Fall camp countdown - Special Teams

BWahlberg

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A somewhat overlooked topic at times, I did want to dedicate a post to the 2017 Special Teams unit with a bit of a focus on the specialists directly. Much like both the offense and defense the ST play of 2017 has some questions around it as well. Last year kickoff returns were the 4th worst, punt return coverage was the 4th worst, punting was 2nd to worst, and as we all remember there were 10 missed extra points last season, putting Montana dead last in PAT efficiency.

I'd previously covered the defense: http://egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76676
And the offense: http://egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=76618

I did a specialist 2-deep after spring ball as well, again just fan opinion, and based on the pre-fall depth a pretty big swing and a miss on a few fronts:

KR: Epperly / Lyons
PR: Louie-McGee / Calhoun
K: Purdy / Semenza
P: Williams / Purdy

1. Can Semenza shake off last years issues? So here's what I found interesting, I thought Brandon Purdy might've won the kicking job in spring ball, as I listed in my ST depth post-spring. From what I saw he had more distance, was more consistent, and brings the benefit of being a proficient punter as well. Semenza had a good first two scrimmages but then missed a fieldgoal and then a PAT in Butte, which sent ripples of more worry through the fans in the stands. Then the fall camp depth chart comes out and Semenza is listed over Purdy and it wasn't even noted as a position battle. That said I'd assume he's on a short leash. The good news for both kickers is that it seems both have added good power and Purdy impressed me in the spring with his accuracy. Kicking this year needs to be near-perfect on PATs and have more touch-backs on kickoffs, I think the Griz were 2nd to last in touchbacks last season.

2. Is Williams going to keep building off his strong spring? The stats from last season didn't paint the best picture but a lot of fans were encouraged by what was seen out of Eric Williams this spring camp, more distance and better hang time. Continuing to find his best consistency is key now.

3. Who will be the snapper? Right now it's a 3-man race. Gage Smith may hold some advantage here as the only guy with returning experience in games. It's a position battle most fans probably won't pay much attention to but for both our punters and kickers the timing on the snaps is vitally important.

4. Can JLM find more of that UNI return-game magic? If Jerry (and Kobey & Samori) can more consistently flip the field in the return game that will go a long ways to helping both the offense with a shorter field and the defense for when those dreaded 3 and outs hit.

5. Can the coverage units make some big strides? Last year the Griz saw the coverage units get burned early and often. While they improved through the season it became a very tense part of the game as punt and kick returns always help swing momentum it seems. What we heard from the coaches were how young the coverage units were, many of which consisted of freshman just coming off their RS. This year many of the guys from the coverage units are coming back to their same jobs. Will the growth and improvement through last season and then another off-season of experience continue to translate into more coverage success for the ST units?
 
I saw Williams was at a camp in Wisconsin with some of the top kickers around the nation. Sounds like he was doing well and holding his own. In fact I think he had the longest hang time for one punt out of all participants. it was like 5.4 seconds
 
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I am sure Fall camp schedule is posted somewhere. Does anyone know where?

Thanks ahead of time.

Go Griz!!!

Maul'em!!!
 
HookedonGriz said:
I saw Williams was at a camp in Wisconsin with some of the top kickers around the nation. Sounds like he was doing well and holding his own. In fact I think he had the longest hang time for one punt out of all participants. it was like 5.4 seconds

:thumb: That's great!
 
If we have solid coverage that helps with overall field position change. Also a solid group that snaps/blocks well, that will help with kicker confidence. The youth issue was probably legit last year, but in reality, I've played special teams as a "young player" and if you do what you're told, there isn't much to it. The main problem is when you think you can make the play out of your lane. That tells me, though, part of the issue was coaching last year. If that is also improved, I see a solid year with special teams.
 
Why hasn't JLM been a KR? He would have more open field opportunities as a KR. PR is more dangerous as well. If they are afraid of over using him, then minimize return duties entirely. He is the best return man on the team, why not use him as a KR?
 
mtgrizrule said:
Why hasn't JLM been a KR? He would have more open field opportunities as a KR. PR is more dangerous as well. If they are afraid of over using him, then minimize return duties entirely. He is the best return man on the team, why not use him as a KR?

He's on the depth as the #2 KR so he'll be out there. Eaton as the #1 KR. Eaton is a burner, I can see why they have him on KR duty, if he's into open field no one is going to catch him.
 
mtgrizrule said:
Why hasn't JLM been a KR? He would have more open field opportunities as a KR. PR is more dangerous as well. If they are afraid of over using him, then minimize return duties entirely. He is the best return man on the team, why not use him as a KR?

KR collisions tend to be more frequent and violent than for a PR.
 
This is the phase of the game where I just shake my head. I have absolutely no idea why the Griz perform so poorly here at times (many).

Hope the staff pulls it together this season.
 
Semenza works with John Carney in the summers.

https://www.carneycoaching.com

https://www.carneycoaching.com/pricing
 
BWahlberg said:
mtgrizrule said:
Why hasn't JLM been a KR? He would have more open field opportunities as a KR. PR is more dangerous as well. If they are afraid of over using him, then minimize return duties entirely. He is the best return man on the team, why not use him as a KR?

He's on the depth as the #2 KR so he'll be out there. Eaton as the #1 KR. Eaton is a burner, I can see why they have him on KR duty, if he's into open field no one is going to catch him.

True on that but JLM doesn't need a open field, think UNI. Doesn't JLM run pretty fast?
 
SoldierGriz said:
This is the phase of the game where I just shake my head. I have absolutely no idea why the Griz perform so poorly here at times (many).

Hope the staff pulls it together this season.
Really, serious? Not sure how you've missed it, but STs occupy the bottom priority with the HC; his comments to that fact regarding the return game are documented. In addition to this trickling down the line of command, it's naturally the place for untested freshmen.
 
I WAS HOPING YOU WOULDN'T DO THIS! Special teams has been a complete disgrace under Stitt We don't cover and the return game is worse= (a fair catch inside the 10) every time... :( :( Again Bobby Hauck comes to mind.. The best special teams coach in America at any level! Hoping to see a huge improvement this year!!! t his is a deal breaker here!
 
kemajic said:
SoldierGriz said:
This is the phase of the game where I just shake my head. I have absolutely no idea why the Griz perform so poorly here at times (many).

Hope the staff pulls it together this season.
Really, serious? Not sure how you've missed it, but STs occupy the bottom priority with the HC; his comments to that fact regarding the return game are documented. In addition to this trickling down the line of command, it's naturally the place for untested freshmen.

With a part-time coach, splitting duties here & with the linebackers, I wouldn't hold my breath. Kem is correct, Bobs' focus is out-scoring them on offense, special teams isn't on the priority list.

It would be a plus if the place kicking found some consistency, & the coverage teams picked up a step or two. The punter & kickoff guy weren't outkicking the coverage, they were either being effectively blocked or weren't fast enough to get to the ball before the returner could get North &'South.
 
bgbigdog said:
kemajic said:
SoldierGriz said:
This is the phase of the game where I just shake my head. I have absolutely no idea why the Griz perform so poorly here at times (many).

Hope the staff pulls it together this season.
Really, serious? Not sure how you've missed it, but STs occupy the bottom priority with the HC; his comments to that fact regarding the return game are documented. In addition to this trickling down the line of command, it's naturally the place for untested freshmen.

With a part-time coach, splitting duties here & with the linebackers, I wouldn't hold my breath. Kem is correct, Bobs' focus is out-scoring them on offense, special teams isn't on the priority list.

It would be a plus if the place kicking found some consistency, & the coverage teams picked up a step or two. The punter & kickoff guy weren't outkicking the coverage, they were either being effectively blocked or weren't fast enough to get to the ball before the returner could get North &'South.

The hell with Stitt and Hauck! Let's get back to Mick Delaney's Billy Jack Special Teams.

We're going to kickoff to you to start both halves. You're not going to score on either possession and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkDE8mWJWOA[/youtube]
 
Ursa Major said:
The hell with Stitt and Hauck! Let's get back to Mick Delaney's Billy Jack Special Teams.
Stitt's second year:

Lost to the Cats, a bottom-ranked team, 17-24, IN MISSOULA!
Away, won one, 1-4.
3-5 conference season. No playoffs.

Delaney's second year:

Beat Cats, 28-14, in Bozeman.
Won 5-1, away.
6-2 conference season. Lost 35-42 in playoffs.

I think most actual Griz fans wouldn't mind "getting back" to that at all.
 

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